Disclaimer(Don;t Blame Him!)

[mittens]

Apologies if this has already been pointed out, but has anyone seen Damien's disclaimer on the sleeve of the 'Radio Remix' of Cannonball?

'Please note that track 1 is not a true representation of Cannonball the song on the album O. It is a remix. Please listen to the album to hear Cannonball. Thanks,Damien'

He must hate the new version as much as I do! I heard he even tried to stop its release in Ireland, and that there was a deal that it would only be released in Britain.

It really is appalling....getting loads of airplay though.

[SilentNight]

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i hate any remix myself, i don't understand why someone would let
others distort their work, the only explanation i can come up is
that they didn't put much heart into their music so they don't really
care as long as it sells.

[mittens]

I agree, and I can't help feeling that this is the case with a certain Mr Rice. If he felt strongly enough that he had to put a disclaimer on the sleeve then surely he could have rejected the idea completely

I know all the airplay the song is getting is going to get him recognition, but it is really worth it if the sound is tripe?

[Donsie B!]

..iys a little TOO upbeat!

[Juzzza]

Nothing will come close to the 'O' version, but the radio version is growing on me. I'm just happy hearing his voice whilst stuck in traffic.


At the end of the day, the remix is making his music more 'digestable' by the mainstream public and getting him more exposure. Although I have yet to hear anyone say thast when the buy 'O' they preferred the remix to the original!!!


I don't think anyone here or elsewhere has the right the question Damien's integrity because his label release a remix to get him more exposure, that is their job. If I remember correctly he agreed to let them do it to cannonball if they never asked him to do it again... No one is making you buy the remix so I'm not sure why some are so offended by its existence!!!


And as for putting heart into their music!!! [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]'O' is arguably the most intimate and raw album I have heard for a long time, there is no question that Damien puts his music first, above deals and above record labels... Damo has told his hardcore fans to ignore the remix as he does, frankly I'm not that stressed about it, I even bought it (it's like £2!!!) GO DAMO, f*ck the record labels and f*ck the so-called fans who think you owe them something!!!


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[Louise]

good for damien, I hate the remix, its too fast and too commercial sounding, and while I like a lot of commercial music I like my rice rough. Once again, Mr. Rice impresses me. [img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]

[Loveless]

Well "O" is no.3 in the Irish album charts this week so they're probably gonna keep pumping out those commercial remixes...

[Louise]

I dont really mind so long as we dont have to listen to it, and we dont because we all have the originals! [img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]

[mestonf]

yep nobody is forcing us to listen to the radio edit

[Jebus]

I really dont see the big fuss, the tune is still the same, albeit with
an altered tempo and a bit more "pop" added to it, the lyrics are the
same. I don't think you can even call it a remix, i like it, and
i like the "O" version. [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]



Didn't I read somewhere that the reason he did it was because of LOADS
of record company pressure and he made them sign to say it would be the
first and last time it happened...

[Enoch]

Originally Posted by Jebus

Didn't I read somewhere that the reason he did it was because of LOADS of record company pressure and he made them sign to say it would be the first and last time it happened...

Yep, thats it.

[Enoch]

[quote=mittens]I agree, and I can't help feeling that this is the case with a certain Mr Rice. If he felt strongly enough that he had to put a disclaimer on the sleeve then surely he could have rejected the idea completely QUOTE]


A touch naive methinks, but you are entitled to your opinion.

[Lemonhead]

i just don't see why he disliked it and still put it on b-sides... but hey, you can skip it if ya want! Edited by: Lemonhead

[coreybyrnes]

my take on the whole thing is this: i believe most true fans of damien do not like the remix version of cannonball because they like the honesty and emotion put into his songs. the remix loses some of that because they made it sound like every other popular rock song out there with the catchy beat. the record company did that to boost sales. it's their job. damien did it because there has to be a middle ground sometimes. i personally don't mind the remix. i know which version i certainly like 10,000,000 times better (the O version), but i think it's great to hear remixes. it keeps things new and different. i think for artists it's pretty exciting sometimes to see what someone else's brain and musical abilities can do with one of your songs. i can say this because i am a musician and this has been done to some of my music. there should be no boundaries to what can be done musically. if you really don't like it, don't listen to it. but i wouldn't be so quick to judge damien's musical integrity, ya know? no harm meant if my thoughts came across harsh. just wanted to let you know of another opinion besides "it sucks", hehe...

[Gatsby]

i dont mind the version... the video is terrible tho and isnt a good reflection on the song


if he wants his music to be more commercially acceptable by remixing then fair play to him but i honestly dont see the need at this stage

[SisterMidnight]

^Yeah what you said... he's getting popular enough now further compromises probably won't be necessary. I actually hate the Cannonball remix, but like the video, though I haven't watched it in a long time. Too artsy for MTV probably, but I liked it. [img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]Anyway I doubt he'll allow another remix. Said he would allow it with Cannonball only if they never said the word remix to him again. (think it was the Ian Dempsey interview)

[Hannah650]

To be honest i don't see the problem with the remix either. So what if it's been altered a bit to appeal to a wider audience? Damien should do what he can to get more success, he deserves it - and i know he said he doesn't care how many people listen to his music but it doesn't exactly hurt if others pick up on such a great talent does it? Spread the love ya know?[img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img] Besides there's elements of this radio version which are the same, the lyrics are the same pretty much(let's facethey play a huge part in any of his songs, after all so many of us eskimos rave constantly about them), as is the melody! What harm is there if someone who is a fan of chart music listens to the remix, likes it, buys 'O', gets into it like the rest of us & maybe even eventually becomes a "true" fan???

[lonelilly_lil]

i hate the remix...but just listened to damien's advice





"if you don't like it, f*ck it. Ignore it"

[Mojo_Pin1980]

There's a Dutch radio station called Sky Radio and it plays to most horrible crap ever, like Celine Dion. But now they've started to play Cannonball but it's not the album version and apparently it's not the single version either. This one's even worse (or so I've heard).


A friend of mine captured it so you can download it here:


http://httpd.chello.nl/m.keijzers2/skynonball.mp3


I haven't listened to it yet, cuz I'm at work, but could someonetell me what the deal is here? Is this the radio edit or is the radio edit just the single version?Edited by: Mojo_Pin1980

[mestonf]

just downloading...

[lonelilly_lil]

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it's even faster than the single!!! it's so rushed, you can hardly hear all the wonderful notes he's playing on the guitar. this is terrible. like i've said many times before, the single version eliminated all tenderness, beauty and sincerity...but in my opinion, this isn't damien at all.





what do others think?

[mestonf]

mmm....it sounds very very very bad!

[lonelilly_lil]

[img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


it's even faster than the single!!! it's so rushed, you can hardly hear all the wonderful notes he's playing on the guitar. this is terrible. like i've said many times before, the single version eliminated all tenderness, beauty and sincerity...but in my opinion, this version isn't damien at all.





what do others think?

[mestonf]

arghargh!!! [img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img] I'm sooo tempted to turn it off!


*keeps listening!*

[Juzzza]

It's probably a version from the CD single.


I put everything Damo onto my Ipod and I have a Cannonball with drums (it is worse than the remix imho) and an instrumental.


I bet the radio station shouldn't be playing it unless it is an official single.

[mestonf]

very true juzza

[Mojo_Pin1980]

Did you download it Juzza? Apparently it IS a different version!

[Juzzza]

Nah I'm at work mate, I was just speculating as I almost got run over the other day when I heard this version with drums come on my Ipod...


The weird thing is I can't find it listed on any of the CD singles... I can see the instrumental version but not this weird version with drums.


Maybe this is a third version with drums... Does it sound live?

[Michelle Joey]

The Cannonball single that's on the official site is actually Cannonball with the drums and not the album version

[mestonf]

oo i didn't like that mojo. it didn't even sound like the remix of cannonball on the DVD single he released