Dolphin killing PLEASE HELP. (Changed by Wheels)
 

http://www.bluemarlin3.com/info/info-dolphinkillers.php

As some of you know I am quite senstive to animal cruelty as it is, but this takes the biscuit really.

(Warning this isn't pleasant, but the Japs have no respect for an intelligent mammal)

*Video contains very distressing scenes. Please do not watch if you are easily upset by graphic, inhame acts performed on innocent creatures*

Would you mind toning down the blatant racism!

There's no reason why you have to state how "sick" a nationality is, when obviously (if there really is this problem) there's actually only a certain number of people part-taking in this.

I've not the time to watch this properly... I don't like the killing of any creature, but i think there may be a bit of hype about this particular... if it IS real. It could just be a next generation bonzai kitten thing.

Oh yeah blatent racism there sorry to offend you. :/ I think racism is the wrong word myself.

Actually I took it from another site that had the same heading although personaly I dont see any wrong with it.

Although hmmm I can see where your coming from its a bit like calling all germans sick because of WW2 etc so yeah can change the title go ahead.

Anyway you dont need to watch all of it. Just skip along its enough to see. Shame that you cant take two minutes to watch what is the truth but can waste your time accusing people of things that are quite simply not true.

I watched something like this once that really disturbed me, could you just tell me exactly what it contains images of, before I watch it?

Thanks.

I don't think it's a waste of my time state my offense, which has of quite allot importance! And I watched a bit of the video initially but didn't have time to watch it all. There's no reason why that has any effect on my right to state what i feel about your phrasing. After all how will anything ever progress if everyone spends their time pretending to to agree.

Obviously, anyone is going to have problems with being acused of racism, but still just rethink the way you say something please. It isn't "Sick Japs" but just people, like you or I. Even if it discusts you that people like you could do that.

I just watched the vid, it doesn't make any difference.

I wasn't trying to catch you out to accuse you of anything tragic... just that I found the phrasing somewhat unfair ... so that alone should be something to make you reconsider. And that's all i'll say about it.

About the video, It's rather emotive, and damn tragic, and something should be done about it.
Bear in mind, that from all the photography, the most shocking images will have been chosen.
I've been macrel fishing before, and they die exactly the same way just on a smaller scale. I was discusted, and i watched a little fish having it's head crushed, whilst others had fits of desperation like. But there's no social rebelian or cries of cruelty, i just let my line to the seabed and pretended to wait for a bite while everyone else was reeling them in.
Pigs are the next inteligent animals after dolphins, but they're slaughtered (maybe not as slowly as that PARTICULAR footage) on a far more widespread basis. Dolphins are just more humaised by tv (flipper).
I just think that this is made more horrifying because it's graphically infront of your eyes. I'd probably feel almost as discusted watching the worst footage available of a pig slaughtered, and sad music was played in the background.

I don't feel like i can trust that vid (as it is obvious campagning material) to judge the industry in how humane it is. (if you mean the word humane as a maximum speed, minimum pain... )

I feel rather hurt for the particular dolphins i just watched die, and it's all I can comment on.

The worst bits are a dolphin being dragged allong the floor by a car, and dolphins being stabbed with knives and spasming and bleeding to death.

From seashepherd.com a bit more information ^, still quite biased, but more detailed.


The slow deaths are the only things that really separate this from western intensive farming when you trully think about it. Is it just more sellable to acuse this country of atrocoties to "everyone's favouirite sea mammal"?

that is horrible, animal cruelty is gettting shocking now.

but i do have to agree with the penguin, i thought the use of the term 'Sick Japs' in a topic title was definatly a bit strong, and kind of raises a concern in itself, even though you are trying to raise awareness for a good cause, try not generalise an entire nation for it and call them 'sick'.

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this is wrong and i dont care what you titled it ... (not getting into that discussion) ... but this is wrong we are mammals they are mammals that is just wrong wrong wrong ... it almost made me vomit, cry, and want to go kick those dudes asses ( i understand it is their job but there shouldnt be a job like that) this should be stopped as soon as possible ... so please please please sign ... we have to do something about this or at least try !!!

Honestly, the amount of censoring that goes on here is laughable. People need to get over it. Guess what, the people who did this cruel thing were sick and Japanese, so the title was factual. Trying to accomodate every person's beliefs and nationality will divert attention off of what is really important and the true cause.

I'm glad you said that. I was reading through this thread in shock that, once again (as it seems to be becoming quite regular on these forums) people were picking on particular words used rather than the actual topic. I think we all need to stop trying to police each other so much and remember we are here just to discuss things, so people opinions and views, and ways of expressing those will differ. Just accept it.

As for the video, that's horrible, so so horrible. I'm still young and naive I think so I struggle to accept that people are actually really able to do that sort of thing. It just makes no sense to me.

they were japanese, but they term "jap" is derogatory similar to calling a black person a nigger or an italian a wop or dego. its not bad that their nationality is specified it just shouldnt be done in a derogatory manner or ppl wont take it as seriously, i mean honestly its already gotten this thread off topic whether you agree with it or not.

now the topic makes it sound like someone needs help killing a dolphin

Fortunately dolphin meat is toxic, so these kind gentlemen will have a bitter end...

the term jap is short for japanese

exactly, although jap is technically short for japanese, the word is a racist word, as bad as nigger (i hate saying that) and as bad as everything else there. i know the topic creator didnt mean it that way, but the term itself is racist and very offensive, which is why we pointed it out.

you say that people are being lead off track in this topic, but i find it more worrying to find that people are beggining to think that using the term 'jap' or any other word like that is fine and normal.

no offence to anyone here of course, i know the TC didnt mean it to be racist, but please dont defend the use of that term.

sorry for drifting off topic, i dont want this topic to become a debate, because we really should be worried for those poor little friendly creatures, but i just find it scary that so many people would defend a term that has been so widely used as a racist attack

honestly, i think it's laughable that you think there's a lot of censorship here... you need to get over it

it's hardly censorship if the title was just changed so that it makes more sense. also 'japs' is an insensitive term, even if you don't find it insensitive.

It's pretty laughable to have such lofty principles about animal rights while at the same time displaying such a blasé attitude towards racism. I seem to remember a group of socialists from the 30's and 40's who had the same tendency to respect animals more then they respected people... I don't think it turned out too well for those guys though.

just to clerify, i was only stating it was short for japanese, i didnt mean to use it in a bad way ....

Jap (jāp) Pronunciation Key
n. Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a person of Japanese birth or descent.

oh dear.

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babe, i dont care enough to need to get over anything.

and bumpman, saying that i value animals over humans is such a ridiculous notion, that im truly not even going to try to rebuttle it. it would just be a waste of time...i will say though, that at least your argument was good for a laugh!


anyway.... i just sent this in a reply to someone's pm, and it shows my reasoning:

Honestly, there is so much censorship in schools, the media, and almost every organization. When I hear things on the news like store clerks cannot say "Merry Christmas" and people are passing bills through congress because the word "God" is mentioned in The Pledge of Allegiance, I can't help but wonder what the world is turning into. Pretty soon, no one will be able to say anything about any denomination because it could be conceived as being prejudiced. Have you ever read the classic novel Brave New World by Aldous Huxley? When I see all of our words being censored and changed, it just proves that we are one step closer to a world where no one even has conversation anymore. These may be small and minor changes, but what they foreshadow is terrifying. Read the book, and I think you will understand what a huge issue censorship is.

So...when I see such censorship on Eskimo Friends, which is a largely liberal board, I see a lack of freedom creeping into a place where people should really be able to go and truly speak their minds. And truly that is what it comes down to, a lack of freedom.


(sorry this is off topic, i really do apologize)

"Sick" is not a fact, but an opinion, no matter how strong. Japs is slang, and is rarely used in contexts where japanese aren't being slagged off. I don't think ANY word is offensive unless it's intended to be, but i thought the tone of it almost implied that "the entire japanese people are sick" and put allot of emphasis on the nationality of the people concerned. I don't think it was a major crime to humanity by any stretch of the imagination. But that like riding a bike, sometimes only little adjustments can regain lost balance and improve direction.

Moderation is what KEEPS focus on the "true cause" there are rules of debating in many circles which ensure that the proper arguments are conveyed, recieved, listened to and then responded to. Regulation makes things work. I think it's highly important to respond to something if even the tone is the only thing which trigers discontent. The more that kind of thing is let go, the more it will be considered a norm and be an inforced way of thinking, and the more it escalates.

Moderation and regulation on grounds of fair and accurate discussion HELP people to understand where they stand, to think about how they present a subject and will provide information that does NOT give opportunity FOR divertion of attention from the main subject!

Making discussions more focused and efficient WILL help get better results for the animals concerned. As I already said, i'm totally justified. And none of my post was being offensive or attacking in anyway. I was just stating the reaction I had to the post and reccomended improvement to the writer of it.

EDIT: responding to the above edit:

Freedom/liberty, and chaos are very separate things. I think there's difference also between censorship and moderation. I don't like things being censored, because i think that's a political thing, like to do with sexuality and the like, and it actually obscures the truth. moderation however is just about making sure that people are well informed about how to comunicate without making asaults on others (even if they ARE socially enforced). It's not about STOPPING communication, just improving it.

seriously kid, buy the book Brave New World because you seem to need a new perspective on being so accepting of people telling you what is okay and not okay to say. never accept being told what to do, for that is when you truly give up your freedom.

and if you dont believe that the censorship of one's words is an offense against freedom, i cannot help you because that is a lack of fundamental understanding of life and human interaction that i cannot even pretend to have the ability to rectify.

Surely that means my opinions too?

And surely you can't say that for things that are directly abusive
("ah he just punched me in the face but it's just his way of expressing himself")
...so why does it only apply when racism is slightly more subtle?

I don't know why it's so unbearable for me to say that i disapprove of something.

Nobody thinks racism is a good thing do they? So surely the best way to avoid it is for people to say "I do not like this." and for people to rethink it.

And of course not everyone is going to agree, otherwise there wouldn't be problems in the first place.

honey, the problem wasn't that people disagreed. the problem was that it was changed. that is censoring.

Are you feeling as un-listened-to as me?

Because if you do: honestly i've read every word you've written!

I feel like i've already said what would respond to what you're saying.

I've learned, from being pushed arround, protested to, lead astray and making stands internally against that; what it is i find offensive... and I have a right to say it, and it's Censorship not to alow that. And I have right to to try and improve things.

Aha, ok, well the site is represented by the people in it and what is said.

I would have prefered that the poster had DECIDED to change what he said.

However rules must be enforced, and if it's not clear that there are concequences of breaking rules, then they might as well not exist. The rules ARE needed... i hope you agree?

I'm sure that if you had repetative abusive pms from someone, you'd want them banned? And if someone argued (futile) that the persons freedom to say what they wanted has been taken away... that would be abserd.

This is nothing but a less extreme version of that, and in response there is a less extreme reaction to it. No-ones getting banned, but the owners of the site, (and so the site itself) don't want what has been said to represent the site, so they have changed it.


If there was a big wall, that someone said "you can't paint on this, but don't use the colour green" and then someone drew a green stripe.

There'd be nothing unjustified about the owner painting over the stripe in blue.

And that's not even a matter of offense!

when will she call me these names??? :crybaby2: