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03-24-2007, 08:46 PM
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Destroyer of worlds
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33 I think
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03-24-2007, 08:55 PM
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Eskimo Contextualist
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whichever, he shouldn't be so ingrateful of people whom he owes his success to. It's part of the job, and no matter how pure the motive, he comes off extremely self absorbed.
and Nine, if he truly wanted to remain normal, he would be playing at intimate venues, if nothing but for the sake of the music... This degree of false modesty that seems to come so naturally to him is disturbing. Last edited by Heretic At Large; 03-24-2007 at 08:58 PM. |
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03-24-2007, 08:57 PM
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03-24-2007, 09:09 PM
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03-24-2007, 09:16 PM
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Who cares if he's self absorbed? Really. I enjoy his music, that's all that matters. And when I go see him live he gives a hell of a performance, what more could I ask for. Oh, and I think it's good he doesn't give autographs. And since we know that, it shouldn't be so hard to respect that.
As for the rest: let him be as self absorbed as he wants to be and just enjoy his music. That was what it was all about in the first place, wasn't it.
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03-24-2007, 09:17 PM
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I gave O to a friend of mine and he told me he thought it was too self- commiserating (can`t express myself in english words).. and I felt like he got a point there.. I like it anyway .. and for damien himslef I don`t know enough to judge.. but I feel like I have to agree the girls..i`m not too sure about that.
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03-24-2007, 09:35 PM
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Lord of Lovely
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god knows how from the title of the topic we ended up talking about this.
But im in agreeance that of late Damien's decuisions seem slightly in conflict. But i thin ktheres sonmthing to take onboard. the record company, im less annoyed about how damien treats us fans, i think its his decision to sign autogrphs, im sure in his life hes quite contemp himself with the way he does that kind of thing, and i doubt hes affected by some of our moans, and good for him. But i am dissapointed in how he seems to have let his record company or his managers or someone take way too much control in his music, and the publication of it. Theres been a definate rise in commercialism between this album 9 and O, and that doesnt bother me, i like lots of commercial bands. e.g. stereophoncs. But the way damein seems to have sold out to it and lost his fight as seen in the times when he left juniper and shaved his head Am i way off the mark? or is it more his faliure to keep his image his own, rather than that we wont sign autographs. |
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03-24-2007, 10:18 PM
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The refusal to sign things is really awful. I understand not signing for someone who sees him while he's eating or something like that, or when there's a somewhat large group of people around. But the outright refusal to ever sign anything (that is, unless you go through backchannels and get his manager to tell him to do it) is absolutely ridiculous.
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03-24-2007, 11:03 PM
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Eskimo Yogi..
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this thread is unbelievable... Why do you guys think it's all Damien's fault? First of all You have no idea what Lisa's like either ..
To say Damien less is of a talent without Lisa... I am completely at a loss here . Its HIS music.. This is a Damien Rice fan site is it not? He has always said People are free to come and go in the band . Lisa perhaps wanted to go, blaming Damien is naive and irresponsible .... Nice to see all the lovely supportive fans.hmmm. wow.....
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03-24-2007, 11:08 PM
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03-24-2007, 11:42 PM
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03-25-2007, 12:24 AM
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Well maybe if it is off putting, you should skip the thread? It is only people stating their opinions, and bouncing ideas off each other. Most here are not going to take offense just because people say something we might not like or, agree with. So.. skip this thread. No one says you HAVE to read any post, much less this one. Life is too short. Bottom line, we are all true diehard fans here. And I am going to see Dames even if his backup is an elephant. Hey that would be neat! A singing elephant. Roll tape of elephamt! Action!
 Hope this does not sound mean.
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03-25-2007, 12:30 AM
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No, I can't even hear it, actually.
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03-25-2007, 02:02 AM
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In regards to all the autograph mess...
Look, the beauty of this forum lies in our freedom to express our opinions. With that said, this post will not be targeting anyone in particular as to force you to think something else. That's not my style and I'd be a total hypocrite if I even attempted anything of that nature. But I would like to paraphrase something that was written by "jasonAVO" in an earlier post on this thread. Throughout his post, he basically said that even though you somehow become a public figure, this does NOT make you public property. Think about it, reflect, digest and move on.
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03-25-2007, 02:08 AM
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This thread is really long. I say we end it here. Who's in?
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03-25-2007, 02:12 AM
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I'd like to respond to your motion, but then that means we aren't ending the thread where you suggested, I'd actually be extending it. But I was thinking of agreeing with you, even though my post would go to show otherwise, making me look hypocritical. So how do I respond to and agree with ending it up there, when I've already continued it down here? And how do others join the motion to limit the thread without necessarily making the thread longer, which goes against their true position on the thread? And aren't the people who wish to make it longer already at an advantage here because in order to express our views we all must make it longer, playing directly into their hands? Oh dear.....
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03-25-2007, 02:34 AM
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Destroyer of worlds
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Getting old, boo-urns. I'm hardly clear headed right now but it also occurred to me that if we were talking health/personal issues it'd be likely that a cursory statement would have been made by now.
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03-25-2007, 05:15 AM
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Eskimo Droog
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And I think there was someone who said something like artists don't quit a band in the middle of a tour but I think John Frusciante did the same when the Peppers toured Japan. And I'm sure there are more examples. Anyway, maybe a bad comparison but, what if you've been in a relation for 4 years and 10 months, and one day you find out you don't love the other anymore. Are you gonna stay together for 2 more months, just to have the anniversary? If Lisa wants to do something different, then she should do that. Or maybe she just needed a break. We can only wait. 
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03-25-2007, 08:11 AM
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Eskimo Baby
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Who cares if he doesn't sign anything and who cares what kind of person he is. Personally I wouldn't even want to hang out with him unless he showered a bit more. A paper with his name on it wouldn't do anything for me. Its not like its going to be worth money and its not going to make me feel special. But anyways as long as he keeps making good music and putting on good shows its worth my money and time. And what is this crap about people saying he is selling out because he is commercialized now. I dont know where you people first heard him because when I first heard him it was on Vh1 which isn't some small tv channel and that was like 4 years ago. Plus most people probably heard him on the Closer soundtrack. I think he has been trying to get his name out there. Its just now finally working for him. Also his music isnt as catchy as us fans would like to believe. A lot of people think its depressing and slow. I can see if people from Ireland don't get my point because he has been known there for a while. But in the States he is just now getting remotely known. I have been listening to him for years and there are tons of people around here that have no idea who is. So i don't think he sold out that much. Its not like he makes action figures or lunchboxes with his face on it. Now thats selling out! Most people like to make money and if you can why wouldn't you? It doesn't make his music any less awesome.
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03-25-2007, 09:11 AM
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Also, as fot the criticism of this thread: I came to the Igloo to discuss Damien Rice with other people who know about him, his music and who like his songs as much as I do. I did not come here to praise him, to fall on my knees and shout "I'm not worthy" when I hear any of the band members names or see their pictures. I don't have a Lisa/Damien/Vyvienne/Tomo-shrine in my closet and I will never have one. I don't think that being a fan means being a worshipper and if you don't like something about your favourite musicians then why not express it? It does not diminish their musical achievemnts, it only shows that they are also real people, not gleaming marble statues of virtue.
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03-25-2007, 10:46 AM
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I think a probable reason for his refuse is that Damien is an artist, and first of all he's a man whit his own ideas, feelings and personality that he uses to show without filters, in his music (he says "me,me,me"  ) as in his everyday life, with the fans as with the friends.So, if Damien thinks (as i suppose) that music is not worship and that a singer is just a man who writes good or bad songs... it's normal*. *= (and i really appreciate it) Could it be? 
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03-25-2007, 12:46 PM
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And concerning autographs: I just don't understand why it is so important for people to have autographs. That's a huuuuge mystery to me. I just don't get it. And I could very well imagine that Damien feels the same way. He doesn't want his fans to cherish a piece of paper he wrote his name on. And he certainly doesn't want people to make profit out of his signature at ebay or somewhere else. He just wants them to cherish his music. And if some of you regard this attitude as ingratitude... well, then just don't buy his records. I'm pretty sure, he wouldn't really care. And I'm NOT worshipping Damien as a person. I'm pretty sure he's got his bad sides. Thank God. But in this particular issue I can fully understand him. And back to topic: Yesterday I listened to a Damo-only version of "Unplayed Piano" and I realized that I didn't really miss Lisa. I do like her voice a lot, but I love Damien's even more. So I could live quite well with him doing Lisa's parts. The only thing I'd really miss are the beautiful harmonies in his music.  But maybe he could really find a worthy substitute...
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03-25-2007, 01:11 PM
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03-25-2007, 01:40 PM
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It's crazy the conclusions/assumptions people have come to about Lisa & Damien when in actuality, we know nothing about the two of them nor what happened.
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03-25-2007, 01:47 PM
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I'll also hazard a guess that you've never toured the world with an entourage of over thirty people. If you had you'd know that transporting that many people along with the cost of shipping equipment, renting venues, paying for accomodation and food isn't exactly something to be sneezed at. Especially if you're covering every major city in Europe and America within a few months. He pays for it out of his own pocket, because there's no label money backing him up. He also pays for everyone to have days off during the tours to sightsee and relax. This is a rhetorical question, but I'll ask it anyway. Since whatever money he eventually gets from the album sales probably pays salaries for the crew. Would you consider selling 400 tickets at the equivelant of €15 each as being enough of a profit to pay for all that? But clearly you've seen that he's falsely modest, right? So f*ck him.
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03-25-2007, 02:21 PM
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But then again, we can do something about it and not support (t)his tour with buying a ticket, if we don't agree with the whole thing. That's what I did, at least. We have a choice. Last edited by Hendrik; 03-25-2007 at 02:29 PM. |
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03-25-2007, 02:54 PM
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Friggin hell!
Didnt this thread turn out opinionated???? Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion but when people start saying they would do things like "not support" Damo's shows and stuff,its kinda gettin a wee silly eh? But then again,EVERYONE is entitled to have their thoughts and if people really agree with not going and purchasing tickets for his shows as they are being held at massive venues,then thats up to you. I also think its ****e taht he is taking this tour to large arenas with mahooooosive crowds and the intimacy will be lost,but im still gonna go see him anyways because i enjoy what he does.Simple as. On the Lisa issue..... of course it will be a great shame if Lisa will be leaving the band. BUt does that mean im gonna slate Damo for his solo efforts? No. Does that mean i wont be covered in a goosepimply feeling when i see/hear him play live without Lisa? No. I'll admit i will be disappointed at the scala gig next week that Lisa may not be there to haunt me with her vocals,but it doesnt stop me being supadupadiddlyoopa excited about seeing Damien do his thing and maybe overcome me with emotion with his songs the way he does. I got hooked on Damien Rice for Damien Rice. Lisa was a beautiful bonus and will be sadly missed,but I'm not gonna take a big old protest board to the scala gig and demand in a chant that Damien insists on telling us whats going on. Just let him get on with it. I like the way he is private and doesnt do the signing malarky.Seein a massive queue of people with their merchandise eagerly awaiting a signature that he has wrote,and probably doesnt even mean it as he has written it about 1998765 times already for the fans,doesnt do it for me. |
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03-25-2007, 03:07 PM
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Way to go Bumpman!!I am proud that there are more and more fans for Dames everyday, hence the bigger venues. I am proud he is getting to see the fruits of his labor. He is probly one of the top song writer/performers to come about in years. Not to mention the most humble. For cripes sakes, he asks the audience what they want to hear. He talks to his fans afterwards, draws them lil pics. How many performers do that alone? As for people wanting to place blame on a rumor of Lisa quitting.. did everyone forget she has her own career? She was not at the last gig I went to last year becuase she was singing with someone else, but noone paniced. Maybe she is ready to be on her own. She has the talent. I find it sad that some that call themselves fans, are being so mean.
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03-25-2007, 03:58 PM
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A piece of paper with his name on it doesn't do anything for me, but seeing that he comes across as a down-to-earth, authentic bloke does - I'll have that any time! Plus, I buy the albums and go to the shows for the music, not to make friends with him (which I wouldn't mind as he didn't seem that unclean  ).
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03-25-2007, 04:22 PM
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People on this thread really scare me. Neither lisa or damien owe us anything. We have our cds, videos, and memories! It doesn't matter how things turn out, maybe Damien and everyone else will become an even better show! Or maybe Damien will be opening for Lisa one day. People change, let's try not to point fingers.
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