damien rice in lost

[padders1]

Originally Posted by thirsty

if...and thats' a big if, damien is'nt directly saying yes to these songs being allowed, at some stage he has signed over the rights to someone else...(time warner?) and has allowed them to be used...therse nothing wrong with him allowing the songs to be used, its' a disapointment, yes...though, please stop with making excuses for the guy, some big bad wolf is'nt stealing the songs in the night on the off chance damien wont hear them on television.......

sorry lads but ye are absolutely fooling yourselves if you dont think mr. rice is'nt interested in making the big bucks - why would be prostituting himself with all his songs appearing on all these inane mass fodder shows otherwise ?And dont even get me started on the remixes and re-releases .yet he will complain if people talk at his gigs - pathetic

[matheusdibo]

I won't even bother answering you...
Get a life

[PenguinBoy]

Originally Posted by matheusdibo

I won't even bother answering you...
Get a life

that was an answer, hehe...
i reckon u should give a response, what do u think bout what he said?

Originally Posted by padders1

sorry lads but ye are absolutely fooling yourselves if you dont think mr. rice is'nt interested in making the big bucks - why would be prostituting himself with all his songs appearing on all these inane mass fodder shows otherwise ?And dont even get me started on the remixes and re-releases .yet he will complain if people talk at his gigs - pathetic

I kinda disagree. Obviously he's interested in money, without it he'd starve. But to be filthy rich, i don't think so, that's not his objective. I wouldn't call it "prostituting" either, it's sharing. If the shows do not discredit his songs aka make some kind of mockery of them, where's the harm? And who's he hurting allong the way? I would be most definately flattered if someone wanted my song for their tv show(hint) and if they want to pay me for it, well, "thankyou very much".

What re-releases?

Beleive it or not, this is a music "business", and that's what takes place; business. He needs to make money to keep afloat, and keep confortable, his manager needs money, his band needs money and so does his record company. Do u think he could honestly keep a band satisfied and rehearsed and songs written without it? No.
If not any of that, he has fans, i can't fly to see him, but my ears prick up and little tears form everytime i hear him play(which is probably why he's chosen for soundtracks etc), and we his fans wait patiently for a new album, from which he would benifit hugely financially. Without money there would never be a new album anyway. Money is what is needed, but it's not what life is about.

When damo sais he doesn't want fame, what he means is that he doesn't want mindless hysteria and people getting obsessed by his "image" and using him as something to worship, and simply embracing anything he writes without actually appreciating it. He doesn't mean that he doesn't want people to hear his songs and relate to them and for them to highlight emotions in films.

There are plenty of people without record deals, who play in various pubs, they're not famous, they are quite familiar with being talked over and are also not making money and don't feature songs on tv shows. Go watch them, or atleast stand near them while u abcently talk over their music. There you will find your new substitute for Damien.

[PenguinBoy]

it's about worshipping idols really.

he doesn't want to be worshipped as an idol, and he doesn't want to worship money as one. But money has it's place, as does recognition.

[ruairi deleastar]

Originally Posted by shane_b

damien rice song delicate spears in an episode of lost, it's about episode 17 so u won't see it for about13 weeks on chan 4 (i got an american version of the dvd)

ya sure it was on last night on netwerk2 there also semmed to be more drums
than usual

[funnypoet]

I think the point that is being missed is basically DR has a contract with a record company and ven though they pay him well for his music it doesn't mean that he actually has complete control over it. There is a very good chance that the song was allowed to be used without damien even knowing it. If we are talking about his choice to use his music for stuff he feels suitable then what the hell was he thinking in allowing the use of The Blower's Daughter for the **** re-make of Alfie with that moron Jude Law?

[maryb21]

oh yes, i saw the episode i was like yelling of the excitement!!!
hehe i love damien rice and i love lost...
too bad i can´t get his music over here in Colombia!

[flyaway]

Not all major labels are great. I'm not trying to be all anti-corporate, etc...that's for another time and place. Major labels are as a rule only interested in what sells, they don't want to sign an artist if there isn't a niche in the market for it. Damien has a wondeful writing style, alot of people can relate to (look at how many eskimo's there are!), and if all else fails just wail along to get them through the day. To know that there are enough people out there, that appreciate good music and songwriting, for a company to consider there a market for Damien Rice, fills me with a little bit of hope. There's enough people out there to ignore the wave after wave of pre-pressed, manufactured music, and see some true beauty floating around, no matter how obscure.
Yeah, money is involved. When isn't it? Electricity, water, everything we take for granted has a price. You're missing the point that Damien & Co are making money out of something they love. In short it doesn't matter what the company's are doing with his music. So far they have used it in fairly good taste, and there's a certain respect carried with his music, which I have yet to see breached. The bottom line is Damien & band, are literally singing for their supper, that does not make them Selfish, Sell-outs, or any of the other capitalist remarks that are being strewn about. They're doing a job, just like accountants, and check out girls, except they are driven with passion.
Being more widespread won't hurt anybody. It will generate more interest in Damien, He'll touch more peoples lives that way. Understandably the music whispers, and not shouts, but who honestly cares? We'll have more eskimo's to talk to and meet, people will unite etc, and it's no great crime if someone enjoys the music after hearing it on TV, and actually buys a record.
The people who work for TV companies selecting music, usually have a flawless sense of music taste, depending on the theme and mood of the show. I've watched a documentary about it, often they are music journalists, and pick the songs out of personal preference. Often picking out bands from minor-label obscurity, for the simple fact they deserve to be heard. Most of these aspects are seen-over by people who love music. Damien being played on international TV just shows that someone somewhere has great music taste. Anyone in doubt about this should be made to listen to an OC mix. They are more often than not filled with great singer/song writers and bands, and it launches them on to greater things.
There were issues with Damien being unhappy with the "Cannonball" and "Volcano" radio mixes. Often artists aren't happy with whole albums and songs because the record company have had some kind of say in it. Damien recorded his album outside of this environment, and that partially adds to the beauty of "O".
In retrospect you can see where people are coming from with these comments, but it's mostly framed by ignorance, because music is more available, it's helping an artist, and making the artist more relative to more people. We just have to remember that great music, is still great music regardless if it's falling on one pair of ears, or one million.

[flyaway]

If anyone actually reads all that...You can come round my house and I'll make you a brew!

[thirsty]

Originally Posted by padders1

sorry lads but ye are absolutely fooling yourselves if you dont think mr. rice is'nt interested in making the big bucks - why would be prostituting himself with all his songs appearing on all these inane mass fodder shows otherwise ?And dont even get me started on the remixes and re-releases .yet he will complain if people talk at his gigs - pathetic

last night watching the l word and at the end where 'cannonball' comes in, even the good wife was groaning with dispair.....its' one thing to allow songs to appear on some programme but to allow them over and over again is just plain greedy an stupid
yes it spreads the news about damiens music, but his touring, great press reviews and word of mouth was doing that job just fine three years ago.
and it may be the record company choosing the various outlets but Damien signed the contract, he was aware of what was gonna happen, unless he ignored the small print, which i doubht......

[Bumpman]

If i were Damien i would be asking who appointed the folks at eskimofriends as my moral police?

[*Killian*]

Originally Posted by Bumpman

If i were Damien i would be asking who appointed the folks at eskimofriends as my moral police?

here here

[flyaway]

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I am defending my personal opinions on Damien from some ignorant people, opinion vs opinion when you get down to it.

[thirsty]

the o.c. soundtrack is a fine example of great music for a feature on t.v., and damien is in fine company with other artists, though do you think that, say, eels would license his music to the american equivilant of coranation street, this is the problem i see in all this, the songs from 'o' have'nt been that carefully chosen, it seems like anyone who asked, its' my own personnal view......

[*Killian*]

beaky: nobody attacked your opinion

thirsty: could you expand on just the last bit of your post there, the part about songs from O not being carefully chosen, anyone who asked?

maybe im missing something, just didnt make much sense to me reading it

[thirsty]

it seems that the songs were licensed out to just about anyone who asked, sometimes, when you hear a song from 'o' playing on whatever programme, its' a disapointment, i, amogst others having belived that 'o' was created as something seperate from that whole advertising overkill way of going about things.

[PenguinBoy]

Originally Posted by *Killian*

here here

i agree

i think people are scared of their private love affairs with damien's music being disregrargeded and becomming something which is thought of as just a Fashion

[thirsty]

i think some people are just a little pissed off with the milking of 'o' and the worrying factor of hearing these songs on tv remind them how unproductive damien has been over the last couple of years.......

[#Ian#]

As far as I'm concerned using music in film/TV is entirely different from using it in ads. Lost, Closer, The L Word etc. are all pieces of art (to varying degrees of quality) and they are just using other art to enhance it. TV and Film is very collaborative with the actors and the directors and the cinematographer all coming together to create something. Ditto the use of incidental music whether it be specially commissioned for the work or just using existing material.

Also, all y'all can shut the **** up, Damien has a mortgage to pay. When he does a Gap ad then you an complain.

[*Killian*]

Originally Posted by #Ian#

Also, all y'all can shut the **** up, Damien has a mortgage to pay. When he does a Gap ad then you an complain.

damn straight

whether people like it or not damien is getting more and more famous....deservedly. even though it was cool when nobody really knew about him, im happy he's makin a good living,has a nice new house and the like.

[PenguinBoy]

yeah, it's allways better to be in a crowd when everyone knows the words, than be in one and ur the only one singing. I can still enjoy his music in a personal way anyhoo. I've got a feeling that if the new album ever arives, there's going to be an explosion of popularity surrounding it. So u better watch out.

[thirsty]

i'm very happy for damien becoming more popular, its' just certain aspects of how this has occured that bothers me....the relentless re-releases for example, that surely even the most ardent rice fan must be a little unhappy about

[#Ian#]

I got this from another board about another band but it's on a silmiar topic:

Since I work in the industry I can clarify this if anyone cares that much.
For television use, including things like trailing football or even the whole BBC One autumn schedule, the band don't need to give express permission. Essentially, almost every music publishing company will be responsible for providing the clearance - on the BBC they almost all subscribe to what is called the Blanket Agreement, a complicated set of deals that gives them carte blanche tol use what they want when they want, for an overall lump sum payment to MCPS, the publishers' clearing house. So if I wanted to, say, use a particularly bleak bit of Joy Division to soundtrack a scene of force feeding of geese for an film on Foie Gras farming, it's a done deal.
There are a few minor exceptions to this - big hitters like Floyd, the Stones and of course The Beatles are all exempt. But it's not remotely inconceivable that *other band* had no idea they were soundtracking a season launch or Gaelic Football until possibly the record company informed them. It's a little different from Moby's shameless licensing of his stuff for lucrative advertising deals.
Having said that, I was still shocked to hear *other band's song* used in such a shameless manner. As I've said before on this forum, I've got to stop being so precious.

[Bumpman]

I think usually when an artist starts to become more acknowledged in relation to what is or is not acceptable to be played on daytime radio you'll always get people complaning when they hear a song they like on TV. Especially when it happens to an artist who was at one stage seen as being someone's well kept secret...

I often find though that the people who feel that the artist is doing some wrong by allowing their music to be used by people involved in film and television, are usually people who have never tried to make a living from playing an instrument and singing. The obvious argument against that is that albums sell copies too, but can anyone here tell me if the current sales of "O" are enough to sustain everyone who's supposed to be living off that money?

This very same argument has been fought out here and in hundreds of other music forums again and again and the result is always the same. If you don't like it, then turn off your TV and do something else. Honestly, there must be something better to do then worrying about these important matters.

[padders1]

thank you all , that was most entertaining and informative

[PenguinBoy]

Originally Posted by padders1

thank you all , that was most entertaining and informative

lol anytime

[magnetic]

you just have to appreciate how Damiens music was used so well in Lost, played on the Hurlys music player (cd player???) and effortlessly seemed into the whole episode.
just saw the epsiode tonight (double episode in Ireland)

By the way, regarding the huge expanse of test from prevous writers,
The atrist has is usually selected by the producer or director or these series or movies.
I just think it's great Damien gets so much recognition for his excellent music for the directors/ producers to incude in their produitions and think it's great to see in such different programs as lost etc...