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10-18-2005, 10:09 PM
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Eskimo Friend
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Betrayed By Damien?
I know that he is a busy man, but ive been a fan of an irish singer songwriter and i'm Irish, and ive never had a chance to see him live! I know he used be around earlier on but i was too young! and i know he is involved with Burma but still shouldnt he make time for his fans?? I mean i love his music but its not like he is a god and we cant say when he is being a bit of a langer, right? anyone with me!?
..... thought not....
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10-18-2005, 10:34 PM
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lol, he's not here for his fans.
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10-18-2005, 10:47 PM
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hey macfriend... i don't know any musician who's toured as much as him in the last few years. he's played non-stop until earlier this year when he took a well earned break and worked on finishing his album. he played in dublin earlier this year and i'm sure he'll do a full irish tour early in 2006 at the latest.
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10-19-2005, 12:56 AM
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Hell the way i see it ur lucky u've had tons of chances to see him... Im pretty sure hes only been to ohio once... and of course it was right before I got into his music. I can't wait for the new tour!!
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10-19-2005, 03:47 AM
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I do not feel betrayed at all because Damien never promised anything or agreed to anything/signed a contract in blood  ...then again I am more patient than most.
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10-19-2005, 03:28 PM
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i dono im just frustrated cause im in Cork and havent had a real chance to see him in the last like 2 years... he may have been in dublin once or twice since then but still.
ya it'd be a balls not to be anywhere near him allright but i dono i think when he has an album that does so well he does have a committment to his fans... and i also know O is pretty old now but still! anyway i guess he could be touring less but i dont see how there is no second album and no major touring in soo long?
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10-19-2005, 03:38 PM
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10-19-2005, 04:10 PM
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that's fair enough. they didn't play in cork on the last irish tour, i think because of the lack of a suitable venue at the time. i'm sure they'll include cork on the next tour. the last time they played in cork was christmas 2003 in the opera house, but they played lots and lots in the year or two before then. i'm sure they'll be back in cork and clonakilty sometime in the next few months with some new songs!
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10-19-2005, 07:21 PM
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well, i think he worked so much in this year and maybe he needs also a break .. the band is a great team and they are still working! the fact that u hadnt ur chance till now, well.. maybe is not his fault. anyway, im sure u ll have one soon.
good luck! concetta
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10-21-2005, 04:12 AM
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I am, almost definitely, will never, ever met Damien in flesh. And the fact doesn't make me like him any lesser.
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10-21-2005, 01:31 PM
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I think people are obsessed with meeting musicians in the flesh, and while i would like to see him perform live, i wouldnt mind never meeting him...he's not my friend....i'm not his friend, and thats fine! I'm just his employer, from the perspective that i buy his music, and would support his concerts....now ask yourself a question....are you friends with your employer?!.....thought not!
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10-21-2005, 02:17 PM
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yeh good one shaun....and jason, as ever you are right.....i'm lucky enough to have seen him 3 times, and i still hope to see him again, i wouldn't mind meeting him, say hello, tell him how much i love his music and how it completely changed my outlook on music and opened my eyes(ears) to a whole nother genre....do i expect him to be bothered by this? NO. do i think i have a right to this? NO
i'm sure he isn't expecting every one of the people who bought his album to go to a concert so why should we expect him to play somewhere that is accessible to every one of those people?!? if you wanted to see him that badly, you would make it possible for yourself! |
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10-21-2005, 06:47 PM
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In fairness, what are you on? I'm not looking for him to live my life for me or for his life to revolve around me, and i agree totally that his love of what he does is what makes him so great. Its true that him 'betraying' his fan is too hard a word to use, but i dono when you have thousands of fans that really want to hear you maybe you should satisfy them?? And if you want to start throwing books at me i'd have picked The Alchemist by Paulo C. to show as damos view on life. And of course i'm just cribbing cause he hasnt been in cork recently, but its just annoying that the smaller names like mark geary of paul Tiernan or Interference are always around everyewhere, and the one who is making millions is nowhere to be seen. I think he is the best since Dylan, and maybe it is because of his style of going and working as he pleases is what makes him so great.... but i also kmow he was always around when he had no money. are you saying that because he has so much money that he suddenly grew this amazing attitude to life and work, or is it that he doesnt need to gig anymore?
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10-21-2005, 07:00 PM
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Ah just calm down lad, Damo' s not here to satisfy our needs or whatever. And Emm is right, he' s done so many gigs last year that he just must be bloody tired of all that and needs a break. Be patient and I' m sure Damien will deffo go down to Cork to play somw tunes. U2 for instance ONLY do Dublin shows and noone' s whining about them not goin to Limerick or Thomastown. Damien is now a very successful artist all around the globe. And I' m very sure millions of people will never get a chance to see him play, so stop complaining and wait till he releases his new album and starts gigging again. He doesnt owe you anything. He doesnt owe anything to any of us.
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10-21-2005, 07:07 PM
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Ba Humbug!
its just a matter of opinion!
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10-21-2005, 08:31 PM
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10-21-2005, 08:33 PM
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10-21-2005, 08:33 PM
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funniest thread ive read in a while
find a new local band or musician to go see if your so impatient 
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10-21-2005, 08:35 PM
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agh... greatest thing since dylan?
right dont get me started on dylan 
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10-21-2005, 09:15 PM
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10-21-2005, 09:36 PM
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10-21-2005, 09:39 PM
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10-21-2005, 10:53 PM
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10-22-2005, 12:37 AM
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best thing since dylan......no really, calm down
'o' was a great debut, though unfortunatly damien has'nt appeared very driven creatively since then, dylan by the time he was 30....... oh, whatever |
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10-22-2005, 10:12 AM
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10-24-2005, 06:24 PM
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"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"
Jason, if I were you I would have definately gone. First of all: it's only money. You can always make more but you can never re-visit the day of you sister's wedding. Second of all: it was obviously important to your sister that you be there. She's not (in all fairness) asking you to live you life a certain way for her. She's asking you to be there on what she considers to be one of the most important days of her life. That's all...just be there. And surely it would have made you happy to make her happy, on some level? And, as you say, whilst your family may be angry at you at the moment, they accepted your decision. They didn't try and force you (at least from what I can gather from your post). Does that not further demonstrate that they were not trying to stifle your happiness (btw I think you're being a tad melodramatic by saying your happiness hinged on whether you went or not) but that they genuinely want you there? Just an observation man, obviously I don't have the full story... "If a man could pass through Paradise in a dream, and have a flower presented to him as a pledge that his soul had really been there, and if he found that flower in his hand when he awoke - Aye, what then?" Samuel Taylor Coleridge 1772-1834
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10-25-2005, 01:57 AM
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I heard 'Delicate' playin on the radio while dining at Burger King and I almost choke on my onion rings! see, my local radio stations never really did justice to Damien's songs, and to listen to him being publicly aired really gave me a thrill. That was so far, the closest experience I had on being in a mass audience while Damien sang (although most people that made the audience couldn't care less about it). So, Cille, this must be a good sign that, perhaps ,someday I'll be seeing Damien LIVE
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10-25-2005, 04:13 PM
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Quote by Jasonavo: "im saying that no one has to live any part whatsoever of their life to please anyone else other than themselves."
Well, you are absolutely correct Jason...however, thats not how modern society works. You have a job, correct? The majority of people who have jobs work for an employer. This employer gives you freedom, but they still demand a certain amount of work to be completed within a given amount of time. An employer gives an employee a task to complete. They say when, how, and how well that task has to be completed in order to keep that job. If that employee fails to meet the deadline and all of the requirements completed, then that employee is risking their job. If everyone were able to just do as they pleased, the world would not function correctly. True, if someone does not want to do something then well, they surely dont have to...if they make that choice, however, to do only as they please, they are going to have an extremely tough time ever being employeed by someone. And since money makes the world go round, no one, without that money, can just sit back and do nothing. Now, before, Damien didnt seem to have this money. He worked extremely hard and shocked a lot of people with the success he made...It seems like now that he has this success he is doing as he pleases...that is perfectly okay. It is to be expected. The only reason why so many people are angry with him is because Damien's OCCUPATION is being a musician. He makes the majoirty of his money from the fans. These angry fans feel as if they are his employer since they supply him with his funds. Its almost like stock. Major companies sell stock and anyone who buys stock, no matter how much or how little, has some ownership of that company. Since all of us are inverstors in the great Damien Rice Corporation, we should all be able to say what we feel Damien should do. Since I have heard in countless interviews that Damien said the second album would be out by now, he needs to stick to his part of the "deal." Now, he has the freedom to do as he pleases, but we as fans, the ones who contribute to his success and financial status, are asking and expecting that he finishes his part of the deal when he said he would. If he neglects to do this, more and more fans will ultimately lose their faith and respect. Now, if Damien were one of my employees he would have been fired long ago. Now, no one owns Damien and can tell him what and what not to do, but anyone who has purchased an album can and should be allowed to say whatever they want about his postponment of doing anything. If Damien loves music so dearly, and since it is his "job", he should fulfill his unwritten duty and produce some more music. Just my thoughts. Hope everything is going well with you Jason...I havent been around the igloo in awhile |
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10-25-2005, 04:27 PM
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But we're not Damien's employers. From what I can see, people seem to feel that they own a piece of Damien just because they buy his music and go to his concerts. This doesn't make us his employers, however - it simply makes us consumers of his product.
If there was a shortage of your favourite brand of chocolate for a while, would you refuse to buy it again when it finally came back on the shelves? What if the delay was because the company producing the chocolate were taking a bit longer to perfect their recipe? I think maybe this is a more realistic comparison than saying that anyone should "fire" Damien for taking his time over the album. Sure, you'd be within your rights to protest - it's a free society, after all. It just seems a bit counter-productive to me. Would people kicking up a fuss really make it easier for the goods to be produced?
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10-25-2005, 04:34 PM
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Andrew,
We don't own shares in Damien... if we did we'd be paid from his profits... we are not. We are not Damien's employers... we are not currently paying him for anything... We paid him for his first album... which was delivered and fulfilled any contract you might have. That contract is over, you have no claim on him beyond that. He is his own boss and can do exactly as he pleases.
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