Weakest song on O thread

Mr Benn. · 08-22-2006, 09:26 PM

Hey all. i keep forgetting to post here so i thought i'd make a thread to get yself involved. Someone was doing this on a ryan adams forum.

Basically you vote for your least favourite song on the album. I'm not saying here that there are any bad songs on the album but it's just a more interesting way of doing it. And every time you take away the song with the most votes and then start again untill you have a champion.

Unfortunetally there are 11 songs (12 if you include silent night) and only 10 options so i thought i'd do it with all but prague and then add it in the second round.

I'll probably mangle this cause i'm not tottaly sure how the poll thing works but here goes....

Greenmeanie · 08-22-2006, 09:38 PM

I voted cannonball, may be because it was so overplayed, but it's a skipper for me.

Mankman · 08-22-2006, 10:08 PM

Probably Amie, but i still always listen to it.

borneoman · 08-22-2006, 10:31 PM

Cheers Darlin for me!

Bumpman · 08-22-2006, 10:45 PM

I don't think it's the sort of album that has a conspicuously weak song, they just appeal to you at different times. When I first heard the album there were one or two songs that I just didn't get, and then time goes on and you start to understand different facets to different pieces. That's what makes it a great piece of art, there's not much room for poking holes in it. It has the kind of diversity where each piece of music is performed with an equal and total amount of care, enthusiasm and love. If you dislike one of the songs particularly then that's another matter entirely, but it's not a case of being able to break the whole thing down and point out an obvious flaw... and if you find it that easy then I would contest that you're incapable of creating something as relevant and beautiful as "O". That's what critics do, they find flaws in the sort of things that they don't know how to create. Who would want to be like them?

Greenmeanie · 08-22-2006, 10:52 PM

no one's poking holes, just saying which they like the least.

Bumpman · 08-22-2006, 11:29 PM

That would have been the case if the thread were called 'least favourite' instead of 'weakest'.

Spamlet · 08-23-2006, 03:35 AM

"Volcano" for me. Just seems to belong on another album.

verenita · 08-23-2006, 04:03 AM

i picked cheers darling...
and for me, "the weakest song" means that song which left damien without the possibility to fight (i hope you can understand what i mean)...

i imagine this situation: this song appeared (from... who knows) and give to damien the right cross... straight to his face... and pushed him away from the ring... KO...
that´s what i think!!...
and btw... i could read interesting opinions in here.
verenita

mickey13086 · 08-23-2006, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumpman

I don't think it's the sort of album that has a conspicuously weak song, they just appeal to you at different times. When I first heard the album there were one or two songs that I just didn't get, and then time goes on and you start to understand different facets to different pieces. That's what makes it a great piece of art, there's not much room for poking holes in it. It has the kind of diversity where each piece of music is performed with an equal and total amount of care, enthusiasm and love. If you dislike one of the songs particularly then that's another matter entirely, but it's not a case of being able to break the whole thing down and point out an obvious flaw... and if you find it that easy then I would contest that you're incapable of creating something as relevant and beautiful as "O". That's what critics do, they find flaws in the sort of things that they don't know how to create. Who would want to be like them?

I'm not going to add anything to this, just letting it reappear for everyones sake.

I couldn't have said this part better though, "I don't think it's the sort of album that has a conspicuously weak song, they just appeal to you at different times. When I first heard the album there were one or two songs that I just didn't get, and then time goes on and you start to understand different facets to different pieces."

Cheers Darlin' is brilliant to me. One word...emotion. You can feel it. You know its real. I challenge you to listen to it again and again and you believe this guy is hurting.

mickey13086 · 08-23-2006, 05:10 AM

also just my opinion, i believe volcano fits well on the album. its placement is not what im talking about but the placement works for me as well.....but thats just my opinion, no right or wrong i dont think.

Greenmeanie · 08-23-2006, 08:48 AM

I think it's a perfectly legitimate thread and one that appears on numerous other artists boards. We're all here because we're fans, we can also discuss what we believe to be the 'weaker' 'least favourite' 'whatever' parts of the album if we so wish. You're entitled not to contribute, but don't judge or condescend those who do. If that wasn't the intention, then fair enough, but that's certainly what it sounded like to me.

OrangeKnickers · 08-23-2006, 09:10 AM

Older Chests. i can't stand it. and i think it's the weakest as far as song writing goes... borderline cheesy

Timeé · 08-23-2006, 09:13 AM

argh no song is weak on O!!!

am i the only complainer? every song offers somethin else and i couldnt choose a weak one.

perplexing · 08-23-2006, 09:20 AM

For me it would have to be Older Chests as the 'weakest'.
Damien has a tendancy to have massive amounts of emotion in his songs through the tone of his voice and the music along with it. It's like you can generally tell what the feel of the song is without actually paying any attention to the lyrics. (Personally), Older Chests just doesn't seem to have the same unbridled emotion in it as all the other songs.
Cheers Darlin' has the most votes at the moment, which has suprised me as I have always seen it to be probably the strongest and most intense song on the album. The bitterness in his voice almost sends shivers up my spine. I absolutely love it when he wispers and yells, it's so appropriate.

Owen

cille · 08-23-2006, 09:26 AM

we've been here before with the O surviver. yikes, I'm not sure I'm ready to go through this again :-O

Greenmeanie · 08-23-2006, 10:46 AM

Older chests is one of my favourites

Probably is slightly less emotive than the others, but I like the imagery.

Bumpman · 08-23-2006, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenmeanie

I think it's a perfectly legitimate thread and one that appears on numerous other artists boards. We're all here because we're fans, we can also discuss what we believe to be the 'weaker' 'least favourite' 'whatever' parts of the album if we so wish. You're entitled not to contribute, but don't judge or condescend those who do. If that wasn't the intention, then fair enough, but that's certainly what it sounded like to me.

I always sound condescending, that's the thing about forums... All text, no tone. I can understand where this idea for a thread comes from, It's fair enough to say that it probably has a place on the Ryan Adams forum, not because I don't like him, but because he's a great artist who releases good and bad work in the same packages. Damien's somewhat different, he's only released one album, and it doesn't have specifically weak songs. It's fair enough to say that you don't like the way he sings or plays something, but as far as I'm concerned that's where it should stop. There's too much of it, people sitting around critiquing the finer points of something that if they tried their whole lives, they couldn't come close to doing. Obviously if that's what you feel like doing then you're perfectly entitled to do it, but as I might seem condescending to you, you'll seem ignorant to me.

Anyway, it's good to at least have some open dialogue on these things isn't it? If we all had to wade through another ten round survivor series I think I may have had stuck a rake in my foot to remember if I still thought anything. If you all feel justified in attempting to tear down what is, in my opinion, a piece of literary and musical work that is beyond the creative minds of probably everyone but the very best writers in the world. Then I honestly believe that you just don't get it. Of course everyone's going to have songs that they'll prefer for different reasons at different times. But there's a difference between thinking something about them, and knowing something about them. You should be asking yourself when it was that you delegated authority unto yourself to talk about the songs as if you had regretted writing them. Then ask yourself how much of these opinions would you be able to throw around if you were talking with Damien face to face.

Never say anything that you're not able to back up to absolutely everyone... and if you don't like what I have to say there's a 'block user' button in every profile.

Greenmeanie · 08-23-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bumpman

I honestly believe that you just don't get it. Of course everyone's going to have songs that they'll prefer for different reasons at different times. But there's a difference between thinking something about them, and knowing something about them. You should be asking yourself when it was that you delegated authority unto yourself to talk about the songs as if you had regretted writing them. Then ask yourself how much of these opinions would you be able to throw around if you were talking with Damien face to face.

Okay just a quick response because I can't be arsed getting too much into this. But to say I or anyone else 'doesn't get it', is frankly out of order. I've got no beef with you bumpman and I won't hold a grudge for it or anything (I certainly wouldn't block your posts!), but I think thats a really narrow minded thing to say, and suggests massive prejudice, which I think is very sad more than anything else. It also suggests you think you do 'get it', which is also realy very arrogant. As for whether I would say it to Damien, I can only speak for myself but if I were to talk to him and the subject came up, yes I would say I skip cannonball, why on earth wouldn't I? And why would he care? It's my opinion, which I have been asked for. Every artist knows that by publishing their work in the public sphere they will be discussed, loved and hated, that's the risk and the possible pay off.

As I say, I'm not too bothered, and as you say, it's difficult to ascertain tone in a post so I hope you don't take this as agressive because it's really not meant to be. I just found your posts pretty preachy, and had to pick up on that.

Bumpman · 08-23-2006, 01:42 PM

That's fair enough. Except for one thing, I don't claim to 'get it' more then anyone else. It sounded like that's what I was saying but it wasn't my intention. What was my intention was to convey that I don't think that any of us really understand enough about what went into that album to make any kind of defninte statements on the difference between good and bad within it. I've certainly never made anything in my life that carries the kind of emotional weight that it does, and as such I don't feel it's my place to summarily dismiss any part of it.

I don't question the existence of your right to do exactly that, in fact I support it... But what I do question is whether anyone could make an argument about whether or not the album has a weak point, and then back up that argument with anything more convincing then preference.

Greenmeanie · 08-23-2006, 02:37 PM

that's cool.

ancyuber · 08-23-2006, 03:19 PM

cold water...

...

please dont hurt me!

Greenmeanie · 08-23-2006, 05:02 PM

Cold Water's my favourite! Die! Kidding

It is my favourite tho. What is it you don't like, if you don't mind me asking? Just curious.

Gatsby · 08-23-2006, 05:08 PM

eh i choose silent night

purely to mess with everyones heads and to null my own vote

Mr Benn. · 08-23-2006, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumpman

That would have been the case if the thread were called 'least favourite' instead of 'weakest'.

Just cause it's weakest doesn't mean they are weak. It's compared to the others. Weakest was the word used on the other forum and i couldn't think of an origonal title. I just thought it would be interesting. I can maybe get to a top 3 but i can't get further than that.

I'll call it least favourite next time round.

The point is that it's hard to choose.

Oh and also i think i might start the next one tomorrow. i set it to last 5 days cause i thought it would take a while for people to get going but i see it hasn't. i'll probably start the other one about half four(ish) tomorrow. if thats alright with everyone?

Timeé · 08-23-2006, 07:28 PM

*tumbleweed*

Mr Benn. · 08-23-2006, 08:10 PM

I am actually quite amazed that people don't like cheers darlin'. I used to hate it but when i lestened closer and to the lyrics it became my favourite for a long time.

simog · 08-23-2006, 08:17 PM

This is like being asked to hit whichever of my children I like the least!

Mr Benn. · 08-23-2006, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simog

This is like being asked to hit whichever of my children I like the least!

hahahaha. i like that

not that it's like hitting children i just think it's a good quote

Ashley · 08-23-2006, 10:51 PM

I can't believe, as of now, Cheers Darlin' has the most votes! (though I guess in a thread like this, something does) Def. one of my fav songs on O! I love the percussion suggestion of clinking glasses, the gradual build up, the whole desperate "what am I..?"

I'm not voting yet, but I'm sure if I do, I'll end up taking down someone's fav as well

View Poll Results: What is the weakest song on O?
Delicate	1	2.86%
Volcano	1	2.86%
Blower's Daughter	1	2.86%
Cannonball	4	11.43%
Older Chests	8	22.86%
Aimie	2	5.71%
Cheers Darlin'	12	34.29%
Cold Water	4	11.43%
I Remember	0	0%
Eskimo	2	5.71%
Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

08-22-2006, 09:26 PM	#1
Mr Benn. Eskimo Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 179	Weakest song on O thread Hey all. i keep forgetting to post here so i thought i'd make a thread to get yself involved. Someone was doing this on a ryan adams forum. Basically you vote for your least favourite song on the album. I'm not saying here that there are any bad songs on the album but it's just a more interesting way of doing it. And every time you take away the song with the most votes and then start again untill you have a champion. Unfortunetally there are 11 songs (12 if you include silent night) and only 10 options so i thought i'd do it with all but prague and then add it in the second round. I'll probably mangle this cause i'm not tottaly sure how the poll thing works but here goes.... __________________ Should I go If she calls out my name? And if she bleeds Should I wipe up the stain? And if I'm low Can I drown in this rain? I guess I'm no good I guess I'm insane

08-22-2006, 10:45 PM	#5
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	I don't think it's the sort of album that has a conspicuously weak song, they just appeal to you at different times. When I first heard the album there were one or two songs that I just didn't get, and then time goes on and you start to understand different facets to different pieces. That's what makes it a great piece of art, there's not much room for poking holes in it. It has the kind of diversity where each piece of music is performed with an equal and total amount of care, enthusiasm and love. If you dislike one of the songs particularly then that's another matter entirely, but it's not a case of being able to break the whole thing down and point out an obvious flaw... and if you find it that easy then I would contest that you're incapable of creating something as relevant and beautiful as "O". That's what critics do, they find flaws in the sort of things that they don't know how to create. Who would want to be like them? __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

08-22-2006, 11:29 PM	#7
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	That would have been the case if the thread were called 'least favourite' instead of 'weakest'. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

08-23-2006, 03:35 AM	#8
Spamlet Resident Contrarian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sunnyside, Queens: NYC Posts: 1,251	"Volcano" for me. Just seems to belong on another album. __________________ NEW TUNES ARE NOW UP! Please check out these free songs by "America's female Damien Rice": http://www.reverbnation.cim/summerrussell/songs

08-22-2006, 09:38 PM	#2
Greenmeanie green and mean Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 151	I voted cannonball, may be because it was so overplayed, but it's a skipper for me.

08-22-2006, 10:08 PM	#3
Mankman You Crazy Diamond Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 192	Probably Amie, but i still always listen to it.

08-22-2006, 10:31 PM	#4
borneoman Insane Eskimo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,151	Cheers Darlin for me!

08-22-2006, 10:52 PM	#6
Greenmeanie green and mean Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 151	no one's poking holes, just saying which they like the least.

08-23-2006, 04:03 AM	#9
verenita ... trusty and true ... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Argentina Posts: 6,387	i picked cheers darling... and for me, "the weakest song" means that song which left damien without the possibility to fight (i hope you can understand what i mean)... i imagine this situation: this song appeared (from... who knows) and give to damien the right cross... straight to his face... and pushed him away from the ring... KO... that´s what i think!!... and btw... i could read interesting opinions in here. verenita

08-23-2006, 05:10 AM	#11
mickey13086 Eskimo with a name..Chris Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Niagara Falls, NY Posts: 438	also just my opinion, i believe volcano fits well on the album. its placement is not what im talking about but the placement works for me as well.....but thats just my opinion, no right or wrong i dont think. __________________ ...won't you my love... MySpace

08-23-2006, 08:48 AM	#12
Greenmeanie green and mean Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 151	I think it's a perfectly legitimate thread and one that appears on numerous other artists boards. We're all here because we're fans, we can also discuss what we believe to be the 'weaker' 'least favourite' 'whatever' parts of the album if we so wish. You're entitled not to contribute, but don't judge or condescend those who do. If that wasn't the intention, then fair enough, but that's certainly what it sounded like to me.

08-23-2006, 09:10 AM	#13
OrangeKnickers Buttons For Eyes Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: White Plains, NY Posts: 111	Older Chests. i can't stand it. and i think it's the weakest as far as song writing goes... borderline cheesy

08-23-2006, 09:13 AM	#14
Timeé Intello Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Co. Donegal, Ireland. Posts: 2,435	argh no song is weak on O!!! am i the only complainer? every song offers somethin else and i couldnt choose a weak one. __________________ Wasted and wounded, it ain't what the moon did Got what I paid for now See ya tomorrow, hey Frank can I borrow A couple of bucks from you?

08-23-2006, 09:20 AM	#15
perplexing Perplexed Eskimo Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hervey Bay, Queensland Posts: 2	For me it would have to be Older Chests as the 'weakest'. Damien has a tendancy to have massive amounts of emotion in his songs through the tone of his voice and the music along with it. It's like you can generally tell what the feel of the song is without actually paying any attention to the lyrics. (Personally), Older Chests just doesn't seem to have the same unbridled emotion in it as all the other songs. Cheers Darlin' has the most votes at the moment, which has suprised me as I have always seen it to be probably the strongest and most intense song on the album. The bitterness in his voice almost sends shivers up my spine. I absolutely love it when he wispers and yells, it's so appropriate. Owen __________________ Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson

08-23-2006, 09:26 AM	#16
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	we've been here before with the O surviver. yikes, I'm not sure I'm ready to go through this again :-O __________________ Yeah

08-23-2006, 10:46 AM	#17
Greenmeanie green and mean Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 151	Older chests is one of my favourites Probably is slightly less emotive than the others, but I like the imagery.

08-23-2006, 01:42 PM	#20
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	That's fair enough. Except for one thing, I don't claim to 'get it' more then anyone else. It sounded like that's what I was saying but it wasn't my intention. What was my intention was to convey that I don't think that any of us really understand enough about what went into that album to make any kind of defninte statements on the difference between good and bad within it. I've certainly never made anything in my life that carries the kind of emotional weight that it does, and as such I don't feel it's my place to summarily dismiss any part of it. I don't question the existence of your right to do exactly that, in fact I support it... But what I do question is whether anyone could make an argument about whether or not the album has a weak point, and then back up that argument with anything more convincing then preference. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

08-23-2006, 02:37 PM	#21
Greenmeanie green and mean Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 151	that's cool.

08-23-2006, 03:19 PM	#22
ancyuber Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rockford, Illinois(USA) Posts: 107	cold water... ... please dont hurt me!

08-23-2006, 05:02 PM	#23
Greenmeanie green and mean Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 151	Cold Water's my favourite! Die! Kidding It is my favourite tho. What is it you don't like, if you don't mind me asking? Just curious.

08-23-2006, 05:08 PM	#24
Gatsby Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dublin Posts: 5,809	eh i choose silent night purely to mess with everyones heads and to null my own vote __________________ "Tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms further…And on fine morning - So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past." https://www.twitch.tv/simonjmusic

08-23-2006, 07:28 PM	#26
Timeé Intello Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Co. Donegal, Ireland. Posts: 2,435	tumbleweed __________________ Wasted and wounded, it ain't what the moon did Got what I paid for now See ya tomorrow, hey Frank can I borrow A couple of bucks from you?

08-23-2006, 08:10 PM	#27
Mr Benn. Eskimo Regular Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 179	I am actually quite amazed that people don't like cheers darlin'. I used to hate it but when i lestened closer and to the lyrics it became my favourite for a long time. __________________ Should I go If she calls out my name? And if she bleeds Should I wipe up the stain? And if I'm low Can I drown in this rain? I guess I'm no good I guess I'm insane

08-23-2006, 08:17 PM	#28
simog Born an Eskimo Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 132	This is like being asked to hit whichever of my children I like the least!

08-23-2006, 10:51 PM	#30
Ashley Eskimo Friend Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 91	I can't believe, as of now, Cheers Darlin' has the most votes! (though I guess in a thread like this, something does) Def. one of my fav songs on O! I love the percussion suggestion of clinking glasses, the gradual build up, the whole desperate "what am I..?" I'm not voting yet, but I'm sure if I do, I'll end up taking down someone's fav as well