9 Album Samples Available Now!

theboxer · 10-20-2006, 08:37 AM

Sorry about that, I thought they were legit streams.

Accidental Baby · 10-20-2006, 09:06 AM

I can't see how this is not illegal.

droovin · 10-20-2006, 09:11 AM

yeh but i bet you looked though

Accidental Baby · 10-20-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by droovin

yeh but i bet you looked though

I would have, if I didn't already know the files were on there.

But that's not really the point, now is it.

ZachC · 10-20-2006, 09:37 AM

i dont see why it would be illegal ... im glad i got a listen

Accidental Baby · 10-20-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ZachC

i dont see why it would be illegal ... im glad i got a listen

You can't see why unreleased tracks that are available as
downloadable MP3's are illegal? That's just strange.

It's not a legit source, it's just a collection of songs
that are available on blogs. Nothing legal about that.

Bumpman · 10-20-2006, 10:03 AM

They're all illegally hosted. Most of the songs on there haven't been released.

Shaney · 10-20-2006, 10:25 AM

The tracks are on ***REMOVED*** available for download.....

Wheels · 10-20-2006, 10:29 AM

AGAIN I remind people to NOT link to unreleased material in the forums or PMs.

ZachC · 10-20-2006, 09:07 PM

you know what im sorry but these artist make boocku bucks lots of money millions and you want to whine about a few songs leaked whatever ... if damien rice wants to sue me for the 100 $ to my name do it ... but what they do for a living is a blessing .. no need to worry about a few songs leaked im still going to buy the album but illegal music is retarded ... i would go to court for downloading anything free ... they make all the money they are doing what they want making money doing it ... so screw illegal

ancyuber · 10-20-2006, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZachC

you know what im sorry but these artist make boocku bucks lots of money millions and you want to whine about a few songs leaked whatever ... if damien rice wants to sue me for the 100 $ to my name do it ... but what they do for a living is a blessing .. no need to worry about a few songs leaked im still going to buy the album but illegal music is retarded ... i would go to court for downloading anything free ... they make all the money they are doing what they want making money doing it ... so screw illegal

I think the biggest thing is if it goes on around here, they are going to come in and shut down the site. Thats why its so strict around here, i think. =p

Wheels · 10-20-2006, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZachC

you know what im sorry but these artist make boocku bucks lots of money millions and you want to whine about a few songs leaked whatever ... if damien rice wants to sue me for the 100 $ to my name do it ... but what they do for a living is a blessing .. no need to worry about a few songs leaked im still going to buy the album but illegal music is retarded ... i would go to court for downloading anything free ... they make all the money they are doing what they want making money doing it ... so screw illegal

Zach, by all means start a thread in Everything Else to debate that point... there are plenty of reasonable points to be made on both sides. Just don't post links on this site to unreleased music.

tj · 10-20-2006, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZachC

you know what im sorry but these artist make boocku bucks lots of money millions and you want to whine about a few songs leaked whatever ... if damien rice wants to sue me for the 100 $ to my name do it ... but what they do for a living is a blessing .. no need to worry about a few songs leaked im still going to buy the album but illegal music is retarded ... i would go to court for downloading anything free ... they make all the money they are doing what they want making money doing it ... so screw illegal

i know this should be in the everything else section... However... A comment like this shouldn't be left. You may buy the album after hearing the samples but think of the thousands that may not. Think of the thousands that will wait and get it copied from their friends and think of the thousands who download illegally even after the album's release. It's not a case of the artist making millions so downloading a leaked track or two is ok.. It's the next generation of artists and the independent shop owners who will suffer.

Bumpman · 10-21-2006, 12:08 AM

It's pretty futile to argue the point though. People seem to make up their minds that musicians are millionaires trying to ruthlessly squeeze every red cent out of a cash cow. That in having talent, they have a source of wealth that can't be harmed by John Doe listening to a few downloaded tracks. It's infinitely more complicated though. What Zach won't recognise is that Damien Rice doesn't have the kind of cash that we'd all like to imagine that O has made for him. He still has to take out a mortgage on his house. He still has to pay wages for a crew of fifty people doing a full time job (even when they're not working).

It's not fair for anyone to determine that because someone is using their creative mind to make a living, that it's open season on whatever they do. A leaked download will affect how the record performs. As an artist on an independent label, Damien has to face the fact that if 9 doesn't make money right away, then he has to shut down his label, stop financing the production of albums and move to a big record company. The fact is Zach, that there isn't a lot of money there to back up 9 if things go wrong. There's certainly not millions, so spare us the lecture on copyright law. You don't have the right to say what should and shouldn't be free.

Timeé · 10-21-2006, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumpman

As an artist on an independent label, Damien has to face the fact that if 9 doesn't make money right away, then he has to shut down his label, stop financing the production of albums and move to a big record company.be free.

not gonna happen!!!
but if it doesnt make money right away then i think i'd donate or summat

.

Bumpman · 10-21-2006, 12:37 AM

Well I'm sure I'd be right in saying that pressing a few hundred thousand copies of 9 wasn't free. Loans need to be paid back, distribution, packaging, shipping, licencing, mastering, mixing, duplication & promotion (yes promotion) all has to be paid for. The band will take a percentage of the record's earnings. The people who work at the label all have to be paid. Touring doesn't help very much, there's very low ticket sales because they play such small venues, and bring a crew of about fifteen.

Despite all that you're probably right, he wouldn't switch to a major label. But you'd better believe that if the album was made available for download free, it would put a pretty huge dent in any hope of actually being able to sustain what The Band does. Most people aren't huge fans. If they can get the album onto an iPod then spending money on it will seem stupid.

The guy who hosts the file on the mp3 page (gbs3769), said that in a month he did 39.9GB of transfers solely on the recordings on this site. That translates as roughly 11,000 songs downloaded... In a month. Not to mention that those songs were live recordings of songs from O taken from various sources. Hosting a full live show by Damien probably would have doubled the downloads. Having a leaked and unreleased album freely available for download on a fansite would be insane. The news would spread like wildfire, it would be on every warez and sharing site on the internet within a few hours time. You'd better believe that it would have more then 11,000 downloads in a month.

Nine · 10-21-2006, 01:21 AM

hear hear sean.

zach - with respect - you seem a little naive and/or ingorant on this subject. Just because an artist has had a successful release does not automatically make them a millionaire. Especially not in Damien's case. So shhhh, and go buy 9.

x

ZachC · 10-21-2006, 06:00 PM

# 1, i didnt post the link #2 i am not saying he is a millionaire he probably lives a pretty good life though and hardly thinks about money and i am certainly not ignorant on this subject ... i am a musician and i would love for people to download my stuff and don't sit there and say " shhhh " like a little kid all i am saying is i heard a couple of new songs and you couldnt even download them so whats the harm ...

HOBBE5 · 10-22-2006, 05:00 AM

What was it? Was it 30 sec samples of each track on the album or a stream of the whole album, or a couple tracks that were streamed?

StatQuo · 10-22-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HOBBE5

What was it? Was it 30 sec samples of each track on the album or a stream of the whole album, or a couple tracks that were streamed?

It was the sampler (9 crimes, Elephant and Me my yoke) & Rat Within the grain to download.

What the impact is for an artist regarding sales, i have mixed feelings. I must admit i have downloaded albums before. I've even downloaded the above songs, and i'm buying two copies of damiens 9 in two weeks one for me & one for a friend.

Truth is i discoverd damien with CLOSER, then downloaded his songs through circuits like limewire and ended up buying his album and becoming my favourite artist.

ZachC · 10-22-2006, 11:22 AM

you know what i think this thread should be trashed get rid of it

tj · 10-22-2006, 01:17 PM

It's an interesting topic... I like it. Maybe it should be moved to the everything else forum but I think it's an interesting discussion.

HOBBE5 · 10-22-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by StatQuo

It was the sampler (9 crimes, Elephant and Me my yoke) & Rat Within the grain to download.

What the impact is for an artist regarding sales, i have mixed feelings. I must admit i have downloaded albums before. I've even downloaded the above songs, and i'm buying two copies of damiens 9 in two weeks one for me & one for a friend.

Truth is i discoverd damien with CLOSER, then downloaded his songs through circuits like limewire and ended up buying his album and becoming my favourite artist.

Oh, I thought it was half the album of something, since some samplers have at least 5-6 tracks, but since it's 4 songs, 3 album and a b-side, which I've heard, it could've been worse.

I have mixed feelings as well. I already made up my mind once I heard the new album was coming out, regardless that it doesn't have THEN GO

, that I was buying the album.

I think it could be ok for a song or two, to filter out through the net, and a stream of the whole album the day before the album release, to gain a variety of attention and new fans.

It's really a double edge sword.

10-20-2006, 08:37 AM	#1
theboxer Eskimo Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 65	9 Album Samples Available Now! Sorry about that, I thought they were legit streams. Last edited by theboxer; 10-20-2006 at 10:34 AM.

10-20-2006, 09:11 AM	#3
droovin A Hoi-Hoi Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Wales Posts: 77	yeh but i bet you looked though __________________ Me My Band My Usual Hangout

10-20-2006, 09:37 AM	#5
ZachC Eskimo Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Asheville, NC USA Posts: 835	i dont see why it would be illegal ... im glad i got a listen __________________ Blessed is the man who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed - alexander pope Visit me and my band at www.myspace.com/zcraftmusic

10-20-2006, 10:03 AM	#7
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	They're all illegally hosted. Most of the songs on there haven't been released. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

10-20-2006, 10:25 AM	#8
Shaney Eskimo Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 52	Downloadable The tracks are on ***REMOVED*** available for download.....

10-20-2006, 09:06 AM	#2
Accidental Baby Eskimo Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 216	I can't see how this is not illegal. __________________ sticking like toffee to your teeth

10-20-2006, 10:29 AM	#9
Wheels Eskimo Enigma Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Cork Posts: 7,900	AGAIN I remind people to NOT link to unreleased material in the forums or PMs. __________________ Last edited by Wheels; 10-20-2006 at 11:28 AM.

10-20-2006, 09:07 PM	#10
ZachC Eskimo Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Asheville, NC USA Posts: 835	you know what im sorry but these artist make boocku bucks lots of money millions and you want to whine about a few songs leaked whatever ... if damien rice wants to sue me for the 100 $ to my name do it ... but what they do for a living is a blessing .. no need to worry about a few songs leaked im still going to buy the album but illegal music is retarded ... i would go to court for downloading anything free ... they make all the money they are doing what they want making money doing it ... so screw illegal __________________ Blessed is the man who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed - alexander pope Visit me and my band at www.myspace.com/zcraftmusic

10-21-2006, 12:08 AM	#14
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	It's pretty futile to argue the point though. People seem to make up their minds that musicians are millionaires trying to ruthlessly squeeze every red cent out of a cash cow. That in having talent, they have a source of wealth that can't be harmed by John Doe listening to a few downloaded tracks. It's infinitely more complicated though. What Zach won't recognise is that Damien Rice doesn't have the kind of cash that we'd all like to imagine that O has made for him. He still has to take out a mortgage on his house. He still has to pay wages for a crew of fifty people doing a full time job (even when they're not working). It's not fair for anyone to determine that because someone is using their creative mind to make a living, that it's open season on whatever they do. A leaked download will affect how the record performs. As an artist on an independent label, Damien has to face the fact that if 9 doesn't make money right away, then he has to shut down his label, stop financing the production of albums and move to a big record company. The fact is Zach, that there isn't a lot of money there to back up 9 if things go wrong. There's certainly not millions, so spare us the lecture on copyright law. You don't have the right to say what should and shouldn't be free. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

10-21-2006, 12:37 AM	#16
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	Well I'm sure I'd be right in saying that pressing a few hundred thousand copies of 9 wasn't free. Loans need to be paid back, distribution, packaging, shipping, licencing, mastering, mixing, duplication & promotion (yes promotion) all has to be paid for. The band will take a percentage of the record's earnings. The people who work at the label all have to be paid. Touring doesn't help very much, there's very low ticket sales because they play such small venues, and bring a crew of about fifteen. Despite all that you're probably right, he wouldn't switch to a major label. But you'd better believe that if the album was made available for download free, it would put a pretty huge dent in any hope of actually being able to sustain what The Band does. Most people aren't huge fans. If they can get the album onto an iPod then spending money on it will seem stupid. The guy who hosts the file on the mp3 page (gbs3769), said that in a month he did 39.9GB of transfers solely on the recordings on this site. That translates as roughly 11,000 songs downloaded... In a month. Not to mention that those songs were live recordings of songs from O taken from various sources. Hosting a full live show by Damien probably would have doubled the downloads. Having a leaked and unreleased album freely available for download on a fansite would be insane. The news would spread like wildfire, it would be on every warez and sharing site on the internet within a few hours time. You'd better believe that it would have more then 11,000 downloads in a month. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

10-21-2006, 01:21 AM	#17
Nine Inuit Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: UK Posts: 2,458	hear hear sean. zach - with respect - you seem a little naive and/or ingorant on this subject. Just because an artist has had a successful release does not automatically make them a millionaire. Especially not in Damien's case. So shhhh, and go buy 9. x

10-21-2006, 06:00 PM	#18
ZachC Eskimo Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Asheville, NC USA Posts: 835	# 1, i didnt post the link #2 i am not saying he is a millionaire he probably lives a pretty good life though and hardly thinks about money and i am certainly not ignorant on this subject ... i am a musician and i would love for people to download my stuff and don't sit there and say " shhhh " like a little kid all i am saying is i heard a couple of new songs and you couldnt even download them so whats the harm ... __________________ Blessed is the man who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed - alexander pope Visit me and my band at www.myspace.com/zcraftmusic

10-22-2006, 05:00 AM	#19
HOBBE5 Eskimo Baby Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 20	What was it? Was it 30 sec samples of each track on the album or a stream of the whole album, or a couple tracks that were streamed?

10-22-2006, 11:22 AM	#21
ZachC Eskimo Regular Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Asheville, NC USA Posts: 835	you know what i think this thread should be trashed get rid of it __________________ Blessed is the man who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed - alexander pope Visit me and my band at www.myspace.com/zcraftmusic

10-22-2006, 01:17 PM	#22
tj Phono Vox Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 828	It's an interesting topic... I like it. Maybe it should be moved to the everything else forum but I think it's an interesting discussion. __________________ a goldfish only has a three second memory..that means if it takes a goldfish three seconds to swim around a bowl, everything is new...each time two goldfish meet it's like it's the first time..