Discuss the virtues and vices of pornography here!

LaurenM · 08-06-2007, 05:08 PM

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Tommy · 08-06-2007, 05:12 PM

"hey, could you please delete that picture? lets have that thread contain actual value, instead of turning it into a string of disgusting photoshopped pictures. please!!! just for me..."

I cant believe you actually made me take that off. I want you to know that the reason ive done this is for purely sexist reasons, because I sure as hell know I wouldnt of if a man emailed me the same thing.

Tommy · 08-06-2007, 05:16 PM

Virtues
- Looks lovely and makes me happy
- Makes lots of other people happy
- Makes porn stars rich
- Makes porn producers rich
- Makes the world become more accepting of sex and not see it as some dirty thing that should be swept under the carpet
- Allows people who are into things that may be socially unacceptable to live out their desires by watching some chroeographed porn and not have to forcefully act it out

Vices

- Reminds me of how small my penis actually is

Dean C · 08-06-2007, 05:24 PM

After much thought, contemplation and hours of researching this subject in order to form an intelligent, cohesive and substantial arguement for the pros of porn.....

#Ian# · 08-06-2007, 06:19 PM

Were it not for porn Ron Jeremy may have never known the touch of a woman.

Emelie · 08-06-2007, 08:10 PM

I don't watch it, because there is no way of knowing in which way it was produced. Where all participators there voluntarily or was there some sort of inhumane methods going on behind the stage. I don't think it has to be bad, if people who are 100% sure of what they are doing record a movie where they have sex and sell it to the world, why couldn't people watch this, and have a good time doing it?

mariaoran · 08-06-2007, 08:50 PM

Well personally I dont oppose porn.
i will agree with the fact that there's types of porn that are disgusting and deserve no mention. But Generally what you find is that the girl is enjoying it more than even the guy is ! ....

Nobody could get me to star in a porn video without my consent ... because we all have free speech ! isn't that what we want!? ...
We (women) don't want to be told how to act, what to do or especially what to feel.... Among all the freedoms i ask for is, yes!, sexual freedom. So for the girls performing and watching the videos, I THINK it comes down to just that... exercising your sexual freedom.

In conclusion.... porn is not really the worst of this world's bads! and if we're going to criticize men for humiliating and demeaning women as mere sex objects then we should do so to women as well for letting themselves be used and humiliated!! ... Lets face it women watch porn too, just as much as men... we're just sneaky about it!

Emelie · 08-06-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mariaoran

Well personally I dont oppose porn.
i will agree with the fact that there's types of porn that are disgusting and deserve no mention. But Generally what you find is that the girl is enjoying it more than even the guy is ! ....

Nobody could get me to star in a porn video without my consent ... because we all have free speech ! isn't that what we want!? ...
We (women) don't want to be told how to act, what to do or especially what to feel.... Among all the freedoms i ask for is, yes!, sexual freedom. So for the girls performing and watching the videos, I THINK it comes down to just that... exercising your sexual freedom.

In conclusion.... porn is not really the worst of this world's bads! and if we're going to criticize men for humiliating and demeaning women as mere sex objects then we should do so to women as well for letting themselves be used and humiliated!! ... Lets face it women watch porn too, just as much as men... we're just sneaky about it!

Maybe you're lucky enough to be in a position where you can't be. But unnfortunately ther is so much trafficking and stugg going on. And even though these girl might seem happy, there might be drugaddictions or other hidden motifs basically forcing them to take part in these movies.

cille · 08-06-2007, 09:30 PM

virtue: you can w*nk to it if you forgot what naked bodies look like in action, or just lack imagination in general. Happens to a lot of us.
vice: it's alienating for all involved. It's mainly an industry of people not caring.

carvinC980t_kid · 08-06-2007, 10:26 PM

virtue

making porn keeps you entertained

carvinC980t_kid · 08-06-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

Wow, you guys really do come through in reinforcing your drastically low level of ability to think. Lets act like mature human beings, not 12 year old boys...

and you really just came across as someone who likes to write like they are intelligent and put themselves above others... you aren't about to be an 18yr old junior?

Cali · 08-06-2007, 10:42 PM

i don't see anything wrong with it, as long as nobody gets hurt...willingly

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

my dad is a divorce attorney. 50% of his cases are caused by pornography.

i do not believe that for a second. not that i think you're dad is lying, but it's easier for the parties involved to blame pornography or anything else rather than to admit their own mistakes. it's like those 500 pound-fat-asses that eat junk food everyday and then they sue mcdonalds for lying about the amount of carbs in the fries

Nine · 08-06-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

it is one of the main problems in he builind og healthy heterosexual relationships. people get ideas from porn that are not reality and then expect their sexual partner to measure up.

porn is destroying marriages.

I just can't believe what you're saying today... this is SO extreme.

Virtue: Gets my rocks off

Vice: this is more the sex industry in general than just porn, but it does link in with trafficking etc. You just have to make sure you're watching legit stuff, and not going to any dodgy sites.

Timeé · 08-06-2007, 11:09 PM

Lauren, when you say porn, do you have the same views on erotic art/film etc. and the like?

Nine · 08-06-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Timeé

Lauren, when you say porn, do you have the same views on erotic art/film etc. and the like?

Lauren and I have been through this sort of in another thread - she seems to think all Porn is the same...

Also she tells me that I think porn is art. Which i don't.

Ships_Were_Sailin · 08-06-2007, 11:47 PM

an expression of the human body can be a form of art if it is done tastefully and meaningfully, if you honestly believe that it is all the same as simple pornographic movies and images then you are blinded by ignorance and brainwashing.

not that im into erotic art and stuff, but it seems like lauren is simply scared of the porn industry, i dunno why you are so defensive and touchy on this topic, widen your horizons a bit, porn doesnt ruin relashionships, the people within the relashionships are the ones that ruin it, if they want to lie to themselves and blame porn then thats their choice, it doesnt affect you, niether does the pron industry, niether do the girls that participate in that industry, maybe they havent been fortunate enough to grow up with a loving family and a warm home.

Which is exactly why you should never put yourself in a mindset that suggests you are above someone because of what they do, whether it be porn or anythign else, im not saying you do, but the way you talk about the industry and anything to do with the that scene gives me the impression that you kind of snub your nose at anyone who is involved or condones that kind of behaviour, and since you seem to generalize the whole industry into one extreme and voilent form of it, i dont think you should be so quick to pass judgement.

Nine · 08-07-2007, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

no, i just turned 17. i dont try to put myself above others, however i do get frustrated when immaturity gets in the way of the exchanging of ideas.

do you have anything to say about the points various people have made in this thread?

Nine · 08-07-2007, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

not all porn does. i acknowledge that whole-heartedly.

Ok, so if you acknowledge that, why do you condemn people like lil old me for watching perfectly legal, and healthy genres of pornography where women are not being degraded or violated, and say that I am endorsing the rape of women?

Nine · 08-07-2007, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

i dont condemn you for watching those things. however, for not condemning men whom take pleasure in the degradation of your gender, you are endorsing the rape of women. and im sorry, and i know the hearts of many eskimos will flare up with vehement rage when i say this, but the song Face endorses the rape of women.

But when did I ever say that I didn't condemn men who take pleasure in the degradation of my gender? Could you tell me what has led you to believe that this is the case?

And you certainly appeared to condemn me for watching porn earlier!

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

i find it horrifying that you watch porn

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

you Nine, are demeaning not only your gender but yourself-demeaning yourself to subhuman and losing the respect of those around you, whether they admit it or not.

The face thing is another matter, but it's ridiculous of you to state that a song is doing something like that when all you have to go by is your PERSONAL interpretation of the song. You have no idea what it could mean, you can't say for sure it means what you think it does. It would seem from the other thread that you're one of the only people who feels it to be a very sexually charged song at all. What do you think of WLAM and Closer?

Rue Saint-Denis · 08-07-2007, 03:09 AM

The song Face does endorse the rape of women through your perspective. The way you perceive things is not the same for others and you can't force these views onto others either. This is literature and literature is subjective, we didn't write it thus any interpretation is just an assumption until confirmed.

Nine · 08-07-2007, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rue Saint-Denis

The song Face does endorse the rape of women through your perspective. The way you perceive things is not the same for others and you can't force these views onto others either. This is literature and literature is subjective, we didn't write it thus any interpretation is just an assumption until confirmed.

well said. couldn't have put that so well myself.

Nine · 08-07-2007, 03:13 AM

Ok, one of my questions you didn't answer - what has led you to believe I do not condemn men who take pleasure in degrading women?

Nine · 08-07-2007, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

why dont you just tell me whether or not you do condemn these men. and then we can decide whether or not i condemn you. my opinion of you really makes no difference anyway, so i dont see why you seem to care...

I care because I am offended by someone telling me how I feel and that I endorse the rape of women, based on such a ridiculous piece of knowledge - the knowledge that I watch porn.

Of course I condemn these men. I'm not some kind of animal just because I do like everyone else does and wanks.

Rue Saint-Denis · 08-07-2007, 03:23 AM

"Your mistake was not in imagining things you could not know- that is, after all, what imagination is for. Rather, your mistake was in unthinkingly treating what you imagined as though it were an accurate representation of the facts. You are a very fine person, I'm sure. But you are a very bad wizard" - Dr. Gilbert

Nine · 08-07-2007, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

alright then we can condemn these scumbags away together. i never said you were an animal because you enjoy watching porn and masturbation. hon, its your sex life, and i have no room to judge.

Awesome I think we are done here! Twas a healthy debate

I must now sleep. Though maybe I shall watch a little porn first eh?!
x

viv · 08-07-2007, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

I will get into MLAM and Closer later, probably Closer first because WLAM is one of my favorite songs of all time and can't bare to own up to the true meaning of it.

why not? i'm interested. and maybe someone can convince you that it isn't that bad and you can love it all you want and not feel guilty!

Maybe that can be combined with the Face thread.

Hendrik · 08-07-2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

what exactly is erotic art/film? sorry that i am ignorant of this

E.g. "In the cut" with Meg Ryan, Jennifer Jason Leigh and Mark Ruffallo. Very stylish, has also penis in it. Good movie.

cille · 08-07-2007, 09:48 AM

Michael Winterbottom's 9 songs is supposed to be a good erotic film, again also with penises and all but not traditionally porny. I haven't seen it yet myself though.

Hendrik · 08-07-2007, 10:16 AM

A good erotic movie tells everything, but yet shows nothing. The imagination plays a big role.

Ships_Were_Sailin · 08-07-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LaurenBledsoe

i never even said anything about these girls, so maybe you shouldnt be so quick to pass judgement yourself.

thats a fair point, so i apologise on that behalf.

but lauren what really worries me is that you keep telling nine that she is endorsing rape, do you realise what you are saying to another person when you post this over and over? watching pornographic material of a legal kind is anything but endorsing rape, and it is so unethical to use that in your argument, if nine see's someone being raped on a street, and gives the raper a round of appluase, then yes, she is endorsing rape. but partaking in an activity that is both legal, and common in todays world, is NOT endorsing rape.

i cant see why you think thats an acceptable thing to say to someone for watching porn.

08-06-2007, 05:08 PM	#1
LaurenM Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 709	Discuss the virtues and vices of pornography here! deleted __________________ ...come and play http://thatgirlwiththefreckles.blogspot.com/ Last edited by LaurenBledsoe; 08-08-2007 at 07:41 PM.

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Tommy Chilly Eskimo Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 622	"hey, could you please delete that picture? lets have that thread contain actual value, instead of turning it into a string of disgusting photoshopped pictures. please!!! just for me..." I cant believe you actually made me take that off. I want you to know that the reason ive done this is for purely sexist reasons, because I sure as hell know I wouldnt of if a man emailed me the same thing. __________________ www.lyinghippyfiend.blogspot.com www.myspace.com/thombartleymusic Last edited by Tommy; 08-06-2007 at 05:27 PM.

08-06-2007, 05:16 PM	#3
Tommy Chilly Eskimo Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 622	Virtues - Looks lovely and makes me happy - Makes lots of other people happy - Makes porn stars rich - Makes porn producers rich - Makes the world become more accepting of sex and not see it as some dirty thing that should be swept under the carpet - Allows people who are into things that may be socially unacceptable to live out their desires by watching some chroeographed porn and not have to forcefully act it out Vices - Reminds me of how small my penis actually is __________________ www.lyinghippyfiend.blogspot.com www.myspace.com/thombartleymusic

08-06-2007, 05:24 PM	#4
Dean C Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 1,058	After much thought, contemplation and hours of researching this subject in order to form an intelligent, cohesive and substantial arguement for the pros of porn..... Last edited by Dean C; 08-06-2007 at 05:26 PM.

08-06-2007, 06:19 PM	#5
#Ian# Destroyer of worlds Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,783	Were it not for porn Ron Jeremy may have never known the touch of a woman. __________________ One day we will die and our ashes will fly from the aeroplane over the sea, but for now we are young let us lay in the sun and count every beautiful thing we can see

08-06-2007, 08:10 PM	#6
Emelie I drank a lavalamp... Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sverige Posts: 586	I don't watch it, because there is no way of knowing in which way it was produced. Where all participators there voluntarily or was there some sort of inhumane methods going on behind the stage. I don't think it has to be bad, if people who are 100% sure of what they are doing record a movie where they have sex and sell it to the world, why couldn't people watch this, and have a good time doing it? __________________ http://killerqueen.org http://www.flickr.com/photos/userr/ http://www.last.fm/user/Userr/

08-06-2007, 08:50 PM	#7
mariaoran The girl from Venezuela Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Madrid Posts: 2,118	Well personally I dont oppose porn. i will agree with the fact that there's types of porn that are disgusting and deserve no mention. But Generally what you find is that the girl is enjoying it more than even the guy is ! .... Nobody could get me to star in a porn video without my consent ... because we all have free speech ! isn't that what we want!? ... We (women) don't want to be told how to act, what to do or especially what to feel.... Among all the freedoms i ask for is, yes!, sexual freedom. So for the girls performing and watching the videos, I THINK it comes down to just that... exercising your sexual freedom. In conclusion.... porn is not really the worst of this world's bads! and if we're going to criticize men for humiliating and demeaning women as mere sex objects then we should do so to women as well for letting themselves be used and humiliated!! ... Lets face it women watch porn too, just as much as men... we're just sneaky about it! __________________ "This place is a Gynocracy!" repetition creates pattern, repetition creates pattern, repetition creates pattern...

08-06-2007, 09:30 PM	#9
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	virtue: you can w*nk to it if you forgot what naked bodies look like in action, or just lack imagination in general. Happens to a lot of us. vice: it's alienating for all involved. It's mainly an industry of people not caring. __________________ Yeah

08-06-2007, 10:26 PM	#10
carvinC980t_kid Eskimo Regular Join Date: May 2006 Location: noblesville indiana, aka people with too much money producing ignorant children Posts: 2,662	virtue making porn keeps you entertained __________________ "And live for the moment, Lord knows I'm gon' die And when I get to hell, Lord knows I'm gon' fry" young jeezy - i luv it

08-06-2007, 11:09 PM	#14
Timeé Intello Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Co. Donegal, Ireland. Posts: 2,435	Lauren, when you say porn, do you have the same views on erotic art/film etc. and the like? __________________ Wasted and wounded, it ain't what the moon did Got what I paid for now See ya tomorrow, hey Frank can I borrow A couple of bucks from you?

08-06-2007, 11:47 PM	#16
Ships_Were_Sailin Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK - The part that has no music scene what so ever Posts: 1,094	an expression of the human body can be a form of art if it is done tastefully and meaningfully, if you honestly believe that it is all the same as simple pornographic movies and images then you are blinded by ignorance and brainwashing. not that im into erotic art and stuff, but it seems like lauren is simply scared of the porn industry, i dunno why you are so defensive and touchy on this topic, widen your horizons a bit, porn doesnt ruin relashionships, the people within the relashionships are the ones that ruin it, if they want to lie to themselves and blame porn then thats their choice, it doesnt affect you, niether does the pron industry, niether do the girls that participate in that industry, maybe they havent been fortunate enough to grow up with a loving family and a warm home. Which is exactly why you should never put yourself in a mindset that suggests you are above someone because of what they do, whether it be porn or anythign else, im not saying you do, but the way you talk about the industry and anything to do with the that scene gives me the impression that you kind of snub your nose at anyone who is involved or condones that kind of behaviour, and since you seem to generalize the whole industry into one extreme and voilent form of it, i dont think you should be so quick to pass judgement. __________________ *Its been years since ive heard from my transistor radio* Yet i keep going to where it seems i'm meant to go Last edited by Ships_Were_Sailin; 08-07-2007 at 12:20 AM.

08-07-2007, 03:09 AM	#20
Rue Saint-Denis Eskimo Ghost Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the past Posts: 484	The song Face does endorse the rape of women through your perspective. The way you perceive things is not the same for others and you can't force these views onto others either. This is literature and literature is subjective, we didn't write it thus any interpretation is just an assumption until confirmed. __________________ ;D

08-07-2007, 03:13 AM	#22
Nine Inuit Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: UK Posts: 2,458	Ok, one of my questions you didn't answer - what has led you to believe I do not condemn men who take pleasure in degrading women? __________________ Thanks to all the kind, generous eskimos who took the time to donate a limb to the 'HELP NINE GET A BODY FUND.' I am now in full working order.

08-07-2007, 03:23 AM	#24
Rue Saint-Denis Eskimo Ghost Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the past Posts: 484	"Your mistake was not in imagining things you could not know- that is, after all, what imagination is for. Rather, your mistake was in unthinkingly treating what you imagined as though it were an accurate representation of the facts. You are a very fine person, I'm sure. But you are a very bad wizard" - Dr. Gilbert __________________ ;D

08-07-2007, 09:48 AM	#28
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	Michael Winterbottom's 9 songs is supposed to be a good erotic film, again also with penises and all but not traditionally porny. I haven't seen it yet myself though. __________________ Yeah

08-07-2007, 10:16 AM	#29
Hendrik Teddy Daniels Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Berlin Posts: 9,693	A good erotic movie tells everything, but yet shows nothing. The imagination plays a big role.