Live Looping.

flyaway · 04-08-2007, 01:57 PM

I've been scanning round the internet for forums with musicians on them that may know a thing or two about live looping hardware, until I realised here is as good a place to ask as any!
So does anyone have a live-looping pedal? I'm looking for something around £150 (Preferrably cheaper!) with a decent performance at least, I'm thinking maybe a Boss RC20XL?Cheaper than what Damo uses too...What do you use?
Overall looking for a decent sampling size, fair price, and easy to use. Any suggestions?

#Ian# · 04-08-2007, 02:57 PM

If you can get the RC-20XL for that price then go for it. I've got one and I love it to bits. http://www.thomann.de/ do them at a good price.

For looping it's actualy a superior piece of kit to what Damien uses, the line 6 DL4 is first an formost a delay pedal (and a really outstanding one at that) but it only has a 14 second (I think, possibly 16) looping capacity. The Boss pedal is a dedicated loop station and as such you can do more with it, you can put on and take off overdubs and stuff like that, you can also record for about a quarter of an hour.

It's the pedal that Final Fantasy uses and he's the most impressive loop based musician I've ever seen live. I actuall think I saw one of them as part of Damien's live rig at the gig in LA in November at the El Rey but as far as I was able to see he was still using the Line 6 for his loops.

A slightly cheaper option might be the Boss RC-2 it's a loop pedal that used the traditional boss stomp box casing but I don't think it's got the same range of functionality as the RC-20XL.

Of course if you really feel like spending a ton of money you could get he big brother of the RC-20XL

Closing_Doors · 04-08-2007, 03:16 PM

Got an RC20-XL myself but I saw that bad boy ^^ under the shelf in Musician yesterday and started drooling

Timeé · 04-08-2007, 05:35 PM

Bah musician. To think all i use music equip. stores for any more is to explain specific things to me......then actually buy them on thomann. im such a badass consumer.

Gatsby · 04-08-2007, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Closing_Doors

Got an RC20-XL myself but I saw that bad boy ^^ under the shelf in Musician yesterday and started drooling

likewise!

i was actually going to go down the route of the line 6 dl4 but the looping time on the rc20 is much longer.

even if you dont use it live it makes you learn alot from your own playing and is great for messing around. you'll be entertained for hours

Bumpman · 04-08-2007, 07:07 PM

I didn't know that the RC-20 was the one Final Fantasy uses. That's a pretty good indication of how good the pedal is.

He can do anything with it.

frankbell · 04-09-2007, 08:48 AM

great thread; does anyone know what set-up andrew bird uses?
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#Ian# · 04-09-2007, 11:06 AM

For loops? Yes, 2 line 6 DL-4's. I saw him a couple of weeks ago and checked out his board afterwards. They're they only ones I can remember but there were delay and reverb pedals there too.

Calum · 04-09-2007, 12:11 PM

How did you go and have a look at his board afterwards Ian?

I'm thinking about getting a few pedals, but at the moment i haven't been able to get any gigs or anything, plus the fact i have no money!

#Ian# · 04-09-2007, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum

How did you go and have a look at his board afterwards Ian?

I'm thinking about getting a few pedals, but at the moment i haven't been able to get any gigs or anything, plus the fact i have no money!

I walked up to the front of the stage, it was a small venue so the crowd could stand by the stage, no barriers.

Do you know what sort of sound you want for your rig?

I've got the following on my "I'm going to buy eventually" list ...

and furthur down the line I want one of these...

Also, not guitar pedals but I'd also like ...

Calum · 04-09-2007, 01:55 PM

Ohh, lucky you then.

Yeah, i'm into reverb and delays, very mysterious and perhaps ambient sort of sounds. Also though, a bit of overdrive and wah for different songs. Not exactly sure really, but those are the main ones, oh and maybe a loop.

I can't work out what those last two items are!

flyaway · 04-09-2007, 02:04 PM

Me niether. Looks like door wedge and a keytar...
Thanks for your help though everyone

I can afford the Rc-50 but I think I'm going to stick with the Rc-20, I'll probably never use it live, just use it for a bit of a faff around. I've given up on gigging and writing songs, so it's really just something to do.

flyaway · 04-09-2007, 02:26 PM

Googling has taught me that the wedge thing is an Ebow, an electronic bow for guitars.
and the keytar thing is a Suzuki Qchord....

#Ian# · 04-09-2007, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyaway

Googling has taught me that the wedge thing is an Ebow, an electronic bow for guitars.
and the keytar thing is a Suzuki Qchord....

You are correct sir.

Both are very cool.

Fool · 04-13-2007, 12:36 PM

Wow, my flatmate got a plain and simple RC-2 for his birthday yesterday, I've hardly put it down.

I can't believe how much fun I'm having!

Bumpman · 04-13-2007, 02:21 PM

Crybaby's a lot of fun, but like a lot of other things it's been tainted by silly people overusing it. It only really should be used sparingly.

J.M.C · 04-14-2007, 10:52 PM

Mite aswell put my opinion in

for looping the DL4 is fine but not for the price

the akai headrush is just as good, if you want a nice, cheap and simple loooper get that.

flyaway · 04-19-2007, 06:20 PM

In the end I gave up and bought the Boss RC-20XL. I hope I gig enough this summer to make it back though!

flyaway · 04-19-2007, 06:41 PM

Does anyone know what looper Kaki King uses: You can see it clearly in her "Gay Son's of Lesbian Mother's" video. Search youtube!

Nine · 04-20-2007, 03:06 PM

I'd love to learn how to loop properly - I reckon it would be like learning a new instrument though, it looks so damn confusing!

I'd be bound to lose my tempo half way through and everything wiuld f*ck up royally.

Calum · 04-20-2007, 03:47 PM

It would just take practice i imagine; practice i'm willing to put in!

Nine · 04-20-2007, 03:50 PM

This has probably been discussed but I don't have time to read through the entire thread as I'm currently at war with Audity, but what's the cheapest loopymagiggy that you could buy to start off with that's any good?

Closing_Doors · 04-20-2007, 06:32 PM

I'd recommend diving right in and getting a decent one. As I said above I have the RC20XL and it's got more space that you'll probably ever use, but it's better than being confined to a couple of seconds (like you might be with cheap pedals). It's also got a reverse button

I wouldn't say it's as difficult as learning a new instrument... unless you're awful at guitar/your instrument of choice (which I know you're not), you'll be fine. It's fun too!

knives! · 04-30-2007, 11:41 PM

YO!
i think damo runs everything through the akai E2, which is good, and probably closer to your price-range but if your ok with upping you'd be wise to go eith the digitech jamman. in addition to the quarter-inch, it's got a mic input and compact flash storage.

#Ian# · 05-01-2007, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knives!

YO!
i think damo runs everything through the akai E2,

He doesn't.

knives! · 05-01-2007, 08:31 PM

you'd know better than i.

what do you think of the digitech loop?

i've always wondered what that mic rig is about. the freakbeak type thing.

#Ian# · 05-01-2007, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knives!

you'd know better than i.

what do you think of the digitech loop?

i've always wondered what that mic rig is about. the freakbeak type thing.

I forget the exact details but it involes elastic bands and plastic wrapping.

Not used the Digitech looper, sorry.

04-08-2007, 01:57 PM	#1
flyaway Eskimo Geek Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 530	Live Looping. I've been scanning round the internet for forums with musicians on them that may know a thing or two about live looping hardware, until I realised here is as good a place to ask as any! So does anyone have a live-looping pedal? I'm looking for something around £150 (Preferrably cheaper!) with a decent performance at least, I'm thinking maybe a Boss RC20XL?Cheaper than what Damo uses too...What do you use? Overall looking for a decent sampling size, fair price, and easy to use. Any suggestions? __________________ "I would love to hold you up, but my fingers just aren't strong enough"

04-08-2007, 02:57 PM	#2
#Ian# Destroyer of worlds Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,783	If you can get the RC-20XL for that price then go for it. I've got one and I love it to bits. http://www.thomann.de/ do them at a good price. For looping it's actualy a superior piece of kit to what Damien uses, the line 6 DL4 is first an formost a delay pedal (and a really outstanding one at that) but it only has a 14 second (I think, possibly 16) looping capacity. The Boss pedal is a dedicated loop station and as such you can do more with it, you can put on and take off overdubs and stuff like that, you can also record for about a quarter of an hour. It's the pedal that Final Fantasy uses and he's the most impressive loop based musician I've ever seen live. I actuall think I saw one of them as part of Damien's live rig at the gig in LA in November at the El Rey but as far as I was able to see he was still using the Line 6 for his loops. A slightly cheaper option might be the Boss RC-2 it's a loop pedal that used the traditional boss stomp box casing but I don't think it's got the same range of functionality as the RC-20XL. Of course if you really feel like spending a ton of money you could get he big brother of the RC-20XL __________________ One day we will die and our ashes will fly from the aeroplane over the sea, but for now we are young let us lay in the sun and count every beautiful thing we can see

04-08-2007, 03:16 PM	#3
Closing_Doors Hysterical & Useless Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,329	Got an RC20-XL myself but I saw that bad boy ^^ under the shelf in Musician yesterday and started drooling __________________ Come clean, come good, repeat with me the punch line 'Just like blood' when those at the back rush forward to say how a little love goes a long long long way. -- Simon Armitage

04-08-2007, 05:35 PM	#4
Timeé Intello Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Co. Donegal, Ireland. Posts: 2,435	Bah musician. To think all i use music equip. stores for any more is to explain specific things to me......then actually buy them on thomann. im such a badass consumer. __________________ Wasted and wounded, it ain't what the moon did Got what I paid for now See ya tomorrow, hey Frank can I borrow A couple of bucks from you?

04-08-2007, 07:07 PM	#6
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	I didn't know that the RC-20 was the one Final Fantasy uses. That's a pretty good indication of how good the pedal is. He can do anything with it. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

04-09-2007, 08:48 AM	#7
frankbell Allt Faller Pa Plats Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: in transit Posts: 17	great thread; does anyone know what set-up andrew bird uses? \|fb\|

04-09-2007, 11:06 AM	#8
#Ian# Destroyer of worlds Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,783	For loops? Yes, 2 line 6 DL-4's. I saw him a couple of weeks ago and checked out his board afterwards. They're they only ones I can remember but there were delay and reverb pedals there too. __________________ One day we will die and our ashes will fly from the aeroplane over the sea, but for now we are young let us lay in the sun and count every beautiful thing we can see

04-09-2007, 12:11 PM	#9
Calum Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: West Sussex, England Posts: 442	How did you go and have a look at his board afterwards Ian? I'm thinking about getting a few pedals, but at the moment i haven't been able to get any gigs or anything, plus the fact i have no money! __________________ http://calumpratt.bandcamp.com

04-09-2007, 01:55 PM	#11
Calum Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: West Sussex, England Posts: 442	Ohh, lucky you then. Yeah, i'm into reverb and delays, very mysterious and perhaps ambient sort of sounds. Also though, a bit of overdrive and wah for different songs. Not exactly sure really, but those are the main ones, oh and maybe a loop. I can't work out what those last two items are! __________________ http://calumpratt.bandcamp.com

04-09-2007, 02:04 PM	#12
flyaway Eskimo Geek Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 530	Me niether. Looks like door wedge and a keytar... Thanks for your help though everyone I can afford the Rc-50 but I think I'm going to stick with the Rc-20, I'll probably never use it live, just use it for a bit of a faff around. I've given up on gigging and writing songs, so it's really just something to do. __________________ "I would love to hold you up, but my fingers just aren't strong enough"

04-09-2007, 02:26 PM	#13
flyaway Eskimo Geek Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 530	Googling has taught me that the wedge thing is an Ebow, an electronic bow for guitars. and the keytar thing is a Suzuki Qchord.... __________________ "I would love to hold you up, but my fingers just aren't strong enough"

04-13-2007, 12:36 PM	#15
Fool Eskimo Fool Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Exeter, Devon, UK. Posts: 175	Wow, my flatmate got a plain and simple RC-2 for his birthday yesterday, I've hardly put it down. I can't believe how much fun I'm having!

04-13-2007, 02:21 PM	#16
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	Crybaby's a lot of fun, but like a lot of other things it's been tainted by silly people overusing it. It only really should be used sparingly. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

04-14-2007, 10:52 PM	#17
J.M.C Eskimo Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 278	Mite aswell put my opinion in for looping the DL4 is fine but not for the price the akai headrush is just as good, if you want a nice, cheap and simple loooper get that. __________________ I'll Wait For You, But I Cant Wait Forever........

04-19-2007, 06:20 PM	#18
flyaway Eskimo Geek Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 530	In the end I gave up and bought the Boss RC-20XL. I hope I gig enough this summer to make it back though! __________________ "I would love to hold you up, but my fingers just aren't strong enough"

04-19-2007, 06:41 PM	#19
flyaway Eskimo Geek Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 530	Does anyone know what looper Kaki King uses: You can see it clearly in her "Gay Son's of Lesbian Mother's" video. Search youtube! __________________ "I would love to hold you up, but my fingers just aren't strong enough"

04-20-2007, 03:06 PM	#20
Nine Inuit Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: UK Posts: 2,458	I'd love to learn how to loop properly - I reckon it would be like learning a new instrument though, it looks so damn confusing! I'd be bound to lose my tempo half way through and everything wiuld f*ck up royally. __________________ Thanks to all the kind, generous eskimos who took the time to donate a limb to the 'HELP NINE GET A BODY FUND.' I am now in full working order.

04-20-2007, 03:47 PM	#21
Calum Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: West Sussex, England Posts: 442	It would just take practice i imagine; practice i'm willing to put in! __________________ http://calumpratt.bandcamp.com

04-20-2007, 03:50 PM	#22
Nine Inuit Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: UK Posts: 2,458	This has probably been discussed but I don't have time to read through the entire thread as I'm currently at war with Audity, but what's the cheapest loopymagiggy that you could buy to start off with that's any good? __________________ Thanks to all the kind, generous eskimos who took the time to donate a limb to the 'HELP NINE GET A BODY FUND.' I am now in full working order.

04-20-2007, 06:32 PM	#23
Closing_Doors Hysterical & Useless Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,329	I'd recommend diving right in and getting a decent one. As I said above I have the RC20XL and it's got more space that you'll probably ever use, but it's better than being confined to a couple of seconds (like you might be with cheap pedals). It's also got a reverse button I wouldn't say it's as difficult as learning a new instrument... unless you're awful at guitar/your instrument of choice (which I know you're not), you'll be fine. It's fun too! __________________ Come clean, come good, repeat with me the punch line 'Just like blood' when those at the back rush forward to say how a little love goes a long long long way. -- Simon Armitage

04-30-2007, 11:41 PM	#24
knives! Eskimo Baby Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: netherlands. Posts: 26	YO! i think damo runs everything through the akai E2, which is good, and probably closer to your price-range but if your ok with upping you'd be wise to go eith the digitech jamman. in addition to the quarter-inch, it's got a mic input and compact flash storage.

05-01-2007, 08:31 PM	#26
knives! Eskimo Baby Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: netherlands. Posts: 26	you'd know better than i. what do you think of the digitech loop? i've always wondered what that mic rig is about. the freakbeak type thing.