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05-07-2004, 02:58 AM | #1 |
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Most women do not know that men are often held down by their dicks. We sometimes hide this by pretending that we pride our genitalia, but in actuality, they are the cause of some of our lowest moments. We try to live our lives so intelligently, and then an erection comes along and forces us to lose control, behave foolishly, break promises even to ourselves. We take such pride in our penises, but know that they are ultimately our downfall. This complex is more common with the modern, more emotional man – who is not afraid of his feelings. Damien Rice (DR) is one of the few singers/songwriters who talks about the penis and the trouble it causes. He writes in the professor, a song about a man who tries to be smart, but fails to understand (I don’t know, I don’t know, I don’t know): “Loving is good when you dick’s made of wood, And the dick left inside only half understood her.” DR’s passion is this tear between being smart and calculated, and losing control. Even one of his most emotional songs, “I Remember” starts with Lisa singing a heart filled tune about sincere longing, which then breaks into Damien’s guitar screeching ending of escape from romance “this is love, this is porn.”
DR has been quoted comparing writing a song to ejaculation, he tells a story in his concert that involves masturbation – the forbidden word – even he has trouble saying it. I watched as he told this story, the women in the audience laughed, as an uncomfortable silence fell over the men in the audience. He has tapped in on the emotion of the new man, one who lives in a world which man no longer fully controls, this is a scary and emotional world. And then when we finally feel like we understand something, and have a little control of our lives, the beast (Johnson) within us will come and take over. Well men (and all our kind supporters of the opposite sex,) it’s time we spoke up! We live in a time when the boundaries between men and women are coming down. Women can roar, and man can hurt. I’m not talking about Tom Cruise in Magnolia, or about us sitting around in a sewing circle, I’m saying embrace the penis, embrace the woman, embrace the control and the loss of it, embrace masturbation! Go out and yell it on the street – too many people will turn. Thank you Damien. |
05-07-2004, 09:31 AM | #2 |
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very well said man. bill hick also another profit that was very honest and open about the/and his penis. "what do you need that for dude?" steve buscemi on jeff bridges penis/johnson in the big lebowski |
05-07-2004, 10:03 AM | #3 |
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thanks ytz, well said. you go guys! it's your turn now! be proud of what you are as sexual beings! there are many taboos about, and limitations for expected masculine behaviour these days. i can imagine it must be frustrating at times. so... this sister's cheering for ya, brothers! (i just think, maybe...johnson is not the right name for it?... although it's really funny in 'the big lebowsky'...)
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05-07-2004, 01:22 PM | #4 |
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05-07-2004, 02:42 PM | #5 |
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05-07-2004, 05:25 PM | #6 |
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You calling me a w**ker?? [img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]
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05-07-2004, 05:32 PM | #7 |
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I'm not sure I agree, totally. While it is certainly frustrating to me to have a sex drive which no woman seems capable of keeping up with, and at the same time I have this undeniable urge to be monogamous (sp?), I can't say that I'm ashamed by my penis. It is not my penis' fault If I am aroused at an inappropriate moment. It is not my 'johnson's ' responsibility to make sure that I am faithful, or respectful. In fact, I do like my 'dick', alot. Its fun. It brings me, and more importantly, others, great pleasure. If I am more than my body (and I think we can all agree that we are more than justbodies), thenwhatever makesme 'me', is more important than mypenis.My 'cock' does not control me, or make me lost control, that is my choice, no matter how difficult or tempting it may be, it is my desicion. Look, Im not saying that I haven't been tempted. And this is not to say that I have not felt 'compelled', or had the urge to blame my stupidity on my 'shlong'. But the truth is, despite my enormous sex drive, I am responsible. I know this because I have resisted great temptation, and felt good about it afterward. I have also given in, and felt sh*tty. I have also given in and felt great. Regardless, the point I am trying to make is, don't blame your 'buddy', it cheapens you, makes you weaker than you are. Embrace masterbation? great idea. Embrace women? even better. Embrace men? If that's what you like, go for it. Embrace control and loss of control? sure....but know that it is your choice to keep control or lose it, and therefore, you are responsible for the consequences.... Wolf
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05-07-2004, 05:49 PM | #8 |
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There is a new masculine consciousness though, which doesn't fit with old archetypes and stereotypes of masculinity. I agree with your point of taking responsibility for your actions, Wolf, but what I think what ytz1 was trying to say is that gender roles and expectations have shifted so dramatically in the last few generations of human existence that men aren't sure where they stand, or how to define themselves as men anymore. And have in some ways been made to feel ashamed or degraded about certain aspects of their masculinity, when really they should be celebrating their maleness and uniqueness.... viva la difference!! But we're really more similar than different.... (women masturbate too-- duh!)and I don't know why women would giggle at the mention of it when men would go silent as if it's only something that guys do.... Has anyone read "Iron John- A Book About Men" by Robert Bly which addresses this topic through examination of myths and fairy tales and long-held but outdated archetypes of masculinity? Very good book, imho. wondering if this thread should be moved to everything else?? Edited by: SisterMidnight |
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Wolf, I fully agree with this point of view. As humans o' course we all have weaknesses, (Sister Midnight, thank you for lettin em know,we do masturbate!)but I think for men to decide that they can blame their johnson for everything is to bequite honest, lame. jtz1 was referring to old stereotypes of male vs female, the dos and do nots etc. Although I'd embrace a lot of what he said I got a message in there that gave the impression that infidelity or dangerous promiscuity canbe blamed oninsatiable lust which we should nevertry to oppress. I think that mindset is dangerous, knowing whats out there in the world. I'm all forboth male and femalesexual expression, masturbation, the works! but I also believe that,as Wolf said,we are more in control over ourselves than we imagine and must keep some sense of 'appropriateness' (for want of a better word! It might sound prudish but you get the idea) and responsibility for, ultimately, when, where and with whom we choose to orgasm!
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05-07-2004, 06:07 PM | #11 |
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I don't think it is problem if men play with their dicks, just when they think with them. They should always use their other head (and if they use their heart, that is all the better). It is difficult to find evolved men such as thoseon thissite in real life, though.
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05-07-2004, 06:14 PM | #12 |
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True, true..... I use that term often Emerald, when speaking to men I know who I think are more fully evolved than others. (no offense to the many neanderthals that I also know, as if they would be on this site anyway) But my best friend (who is male) was saying something like this the other day, how it's spring and all the girls are wearing shorts and he can't help but look, he can't help but let it occupy his mind, and wonders how much time and energy he's wasted his whole life fantasizing and obsessing and just looking..... He seemed pretty frustrated with himself, actually.
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lets hear it for eskimo men! our rods, johnsons, members, little friends...! let's embrace our johnsons! yippee! tgif! |
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05-07-2004, 06:42 PM | #14 |
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(and then i'd like to see how it actually looks when you literallyembrace your johnsons...[img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img])
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05-07-2004, 06:43 PM | #15 |
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As this is a thread about "strumming" I think we should move it to the musician's forum [img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]
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05-07-2004, 06:46 PM | #16 |
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[img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]....... Enoch cracks me up! [img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]
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05-07-2004, 06:47 PM | #17 |
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btw, minx: what is 'dangerous promiscuity'? and why is masturbation a 'weakness'?
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05-07-2004, 06:47 PM | #18 |
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lol that's an interesting concept Enoch, anyone here anofficialsexual experimentalamist who canresearch strumming to orgasm and fill us in? If not I dont think anyone willhave major problems with trying it at home..Anyway, back to the very serious subject matter
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05-07-2004, 06:48 PM | #19 |
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hehehe, yeah, enoch... wise scotsman, you are!
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05-07-2004, 06:59 PM | #20 |
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Sis Midnight, Is that what you thought I was implying? [img]smileys/smiley6.gif[/img] Ididnt meanthat masturbating is a weakness at all!!!!Iwas implying that its human nature towant tosatisfy every type ofphysicalhungerwhen it arises - even women want and enjoy masturbation and thats perfectly ok. I dont think at all that this is a bad thing, its necessary,however it does leave us vulnerable.Actually, thank you for pointing this out to me - weakness was certainly the wrong word to use there so I retract that, I was really striving imply'desires', if that makes it more understandable.
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05-07-2004, 07:06 PM | #21 |
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just wanted to make sure what you meant... (and you can call me sis midnight, that's actually very flattering![img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img])
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05-07-2004, 07:07 PM | #22 |
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thats striving to imply
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05-07-2004, 07:18 PM | #23 |
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hmm....the humble penis....who'd have thought it could be so ...controversial?! by the way, i hear theres a new museum of sexuality in st petersburg where theyre displaying rasputin's cock! 12 inchespickled in vinegar if you dontmind!!
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05-07-2004, 07:28 PM | #24 |
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OK. Society may be changing quickly but the sexual attraction between two people isn't. Maybe that's why I love Damien's songs so much, because he helps us appreciate the wonder and beauty of relationships. How is it that you can be so attracted to a person and the feeling is not reciprocated? How is it that two people can be so in love that all the world is magical and nothing else seems to matter? How is it that you can be so attracted to another that you can't take your hands and eyes off them, and a short time later, can't bear the thought of even being in the same room together? Let's not get down on our penises (so to speak). After all it's probably our hormones which dictate our feelings, not our pricks. I love listening to Damien's music because he helps me deal with my feelings. The intersection of life where what my mind, body and soul are saying meets with what the other person's are saying, and what a changing society throws in the way. ps. I was at the Beacon show and think that "look to my eskimo friends when I'm down" might be like giving yourself a present when your alone, you know, like giving a girlfriend a pearl necklace when your together. |
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OMG!![img]smileys/smiley3.gif[/img] Pickled penis?! What'll they think of next!! Twelve inches, eh? Hmmm....... (just kidding, only guys are obsessed with size, at least that's been my experience! [img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img])
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05-07-2004, 07:34 PM | #26 |
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yeah but rasputin.....what a legend...he could cure haemophilia AND had a 12 inch cock! legend!!
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05-07-2004, 07:40 PM | #27 |
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I was just reading about Rasputin... They even have a picture here[img]smileys/smiley9.gif[/img]
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05-07-2004, 07:43 PM | #28 |
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OM(f**king)G!!! [img]smileys/smiley3.gif[/img](again!) had to see it to believe it..... Thanks for the visuals, Julia..... but seriously, who thought that up, pickling someone's penis?? Strange world we live in, eh? [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]
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05-07-2004, 07:50 PM | #29 |
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[img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]you gotta love this group! anyway looks like they got some pickled prostate in addition to his member. i demand a recount. i think we got no more than 6, maybe 7, inches of exterior reach! |
05-07-2004, 08:21 PM | #30 |
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Thanks for all the replies – I’m glad so many people understand me. I have so many comments to share – I hope I can relay them all:
<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /> As far as Dr. J being in control – I obviously did not mean that literally. Only on Ally Mcbeill can someone actually attempt to defend themselves by claiming – “it wasn’t me, it was my dick.” (not that I’ve ever seen the show…) Nevertheless, I consider myself to be somewhat in control of my “passion” yet can anyone here deny that they have behaved differently then planned when under the influence of the erection? The problem goes deeper. It might be the hundreds of years of religious oppression, but masturbation is still questionable. I keep trying to figure out how (in the far off future) I’m going to explain this healthy, harmless act to my child (I’m not even in a relationship and I’m contemplating explaining masturbation to my son?!?!?!) Men are not completely out yet about their masturbation habits. What I’m asking to embrace is our weakness. Don’t get me wrong, sex should be done responsibly, and our intellect should rule us – nevertheless, we should be aware of our beast and not feel shamed by it. BTW – all the guys that don’t know what I’m talking about – and think they are proud of their penis – get in touch with your emotions – you are compensating. Damien Rice puts it well. So much intelligent “romantic emotion” and then a song like Woman Like a Man blasts it all. (or the example I gave in the original post – “is this love? Is this porn?) I once went to the Vagina Monologues. It was very disturbing to me. I was disturbed by the comedy of it – I did not find it funny. I felt bad for anyone woman who did not get to know herself, or only found themselves later in life. It’s sad that society could create such a distance between someone and themselves (we are all distant enough as it is.) I was also disturbed that men have to compensate for our insecurities by feeling confident with our sexuality – I wish it was true. As for my Eskimo friends – I do appreciate people who appreciate what DR has to offer – I’m sick of Brittany Girls, or girls who want guys to be MEN. Thanks for appreciating us emotional types. I’m sure Lisa would agree (hope.) As for Rasputin, how come no one has brought up the fact that the man has a Bonny M song about him (Not that I ever listen to Bonny M…) |