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All women portrayed in the media are 'unrealistically beautiful' - by that I don't mean they are not real people, they obviously are, but they do not represent the norm. You see what I mean? Now I understand that you shouldn't be penalized for having a good body and of course you should be allowed to model - but when you argue that you don't like the way the media portrays women, and then actually pose for those pictures yourself, you are endorsing what you say you don't agree with. That's a fact. Especially as you implied the only reason you were in the best physical condition was because 'it's your job' - that is saying that society demands you look perfect, so you do - which is giving in to what you say you don't agree with.
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And yep, that is exactly what I was trying to say
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08-07-2007, 03:03 AM | #35 |
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^ do i detect sarcasm?
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08-07-2007, 03:08 AM | #36 | |
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Lauren, just curious what your take on my not-exact-but-as-close-as-I-can-come-interpretation of the song is. Here's my previous post so I don't have to rewrite it.
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08-07-2007, 03:18 AM | #37 | |
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I don't know what sexual experience you or anyone else here has obviously, but it doesn't always have to be lovely loving missionary position or whatever - having her on her knees could easily mean her giving him a blow job, or him taking her from behind. Neither of which would be degrading to her as long as it was consensual. (Also, it isn't necessarily a sexual thing at all, but if it is, it still doens't have to mean sexual abuse.)
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08-07-2007, 03:22 AM | #38 | |
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yes it is a bit of a chase. I think I must go to bed now. Night x
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It seems like you're focused too much on that one line. What if he mean fuguratively/emotionally on her knees. Or it might mean what you're saying but just as an imagined form of revenge. Like saying I'm so pissed at that F*cker I wish he would die! You don't really mean it. I don't think it's unnatural to imagine doing somewhat horrible things to someone in a moment of passionate hate and anger. Seriously wanting to do them is something else.
I'm still not convinced his meaning is as evil as your interpretation of it though. I think the "sweet and nice" part supports that becuase would you write that part about someone you wanted to force oral sex on (or whatever it is you're taking from that line, cause i'm still not completely sure) Last edited by viv; 08-07-2007 at 03:46 AM. |
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08-07-2007, 01:30 PM | #41 |
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I love this song. One of my absolute favorites .I find it sexual but I have never thought of it as demeaning.
I wanna be The only one that you know I wanna live, don't wanna die, wanna grow old with you I wanna be the only one that you know 'Cause I adore you I do yeah love this.. the rest of it...... I always thought of it as sexy in a Damien sort of way.. Which NEVER offends me..lol..! cheers guy's.
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08-07-2007, 04:36 PM | #42 |
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I'm not sure what to think about this thread. Maybe someone should ask Damien if he hates women, so then you can get up in arms over factual information, rather than interpreting a line from a song that supposedly 'degrades women,' oh Goodness no. Keeping in mind he seems a little peeved in most of his songs in the first place, so pardon him for getting out some offensive emotion every now and again. The truth of anger and sadness is seldom pretty.
Now let's all all try to make Volcano an offensive masterpiece - that 'hurt your knees' line probably means he's getting a blowjob. |
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08-07-2007, 08:14 PM | #44 |
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I don't listen to this song; because it's terrible and sounds like foul words thrown into a blender that automatically rhymes itself.
It is degrading and makes absolutely no sense to me. I can't relate to it.
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How is it degrading, Tim?
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Surely anyone offended by the lyrical implications of this song should also be offended by the opening line to Cannonball.
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Thought I'd add my two cents in defence of Damien....I would be horrified if someone judged me on a few words, and especially when those words are nearly random. A few comments that have been made in another thread..
the song Face endorses the rape of women....it is all based on my personal interpretation of face, but given the conclusive evidence and sexual nature of damien's songs, my interpretation is not far fetched but extremely likely. Though there may be a sexual nature in his songs I don't think Face endorses the rape of women. Even though I wouldn't ever accuse him of endorsing the rape of women based on a few words ......a few words is not enough and the vast majority of people don't endorse rape..... and since you're considering context with the "sexual nature of his songs" that he would endorse rape.... if I remember correctly...isn't Damien a vegan, or at the very least a vegetarian? And isn't it not necessarily because of health but because of ethical beliefs? That humans should not harm animals...as they have rights and importance as humans do...but he also thinks that he can violate fellow humans and hurt a woman?? i stick by my interpretation until we have truthful insight from the writer himselfjust because i dont have a sworn statement from damien on the meaning of the song does not mean i cannot learn from my own interpretation.[/b] I really don't think he should be guilty based only on a few words until proven innocent. Intellectual charity can go a long way, giving the author credit for ideas they probably had in mind...but did not express. edit to clarify. Last edited by Lindsay; 08-09-2007 at 01:19 AM. |
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its degrading to me to expose my ears to such jumblargo
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Damien's songs seem to often be obscure, but to me Face seems to be nearly random. This is my interpretation..... though I think my interpretation of the song is in the minority, because while I definitely don't see anything promoting rape, I also don't see much that is angry or vengeful or demeaning.
How I know Go bow end send mend bend pretend Shut your face again This is how he learns things, how he goes through experiences...by ending, sending, mending, etc....and he does not want this woman to criticize him, make fun of him, pressure him...to shut her face Bleed seed need read breath on my knees How I choose to breath This is how he lives or breathes...by bleeding, seeding, needing, reading.. Lie cry learn grow slow fall stall How I build my wall How he builds his emotional wall, constucts over time his emotional protection....by lying, crying, learning... Hate wait bait kiss or taste the place And make weather in my face not very sure what "weather in my face means"...but maybe causing aging, maybe causing difficulty, maybe stress because of the things she does to him. The only one that you know I wanna live, wanna die, wanna grow old with you I wanna be the only one that you know 'Cause I adore you I do yeah But even though he is all these things, that this is his personality....and he is quite passionate in the song about asserting that this is who he is, similar vein in Coconut skins....he still wants her to accept him, and be committed to him, love him...to me this is what the song is about. But he is quite passionate when singing it, quite forceful, so it seems that maybe he wants both...to stay who he is AND to be with her and be accepted by her...but maybe is be prevented from having it both ways. How I choose bruise loose win sin bin tease please Better have her on her knees This is what his relationship is like with this woman, this is how he acts towards her....but at all times she must be on her knees....maybe sexual ...or maybe on her knees with love for him, so committed to him, so much respect for him Play pray say rock feel kneel dream How I choose to scream His reaction when he is expressing his feelings, when he screams Shout wake sleep I need to touch her deep This is his daily routine Change Rearrange Fate wait weight kiss or taste the place And make weather in my face Again...relationship issues...how they relate to each other, what happens in their relationship. Then he repeats. I could be completely wrong ...just my opinion...any thoughts? edit- left out "random" Last edited by Lindsay; 08-09-2007 at 01:04 AM. |
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I always thought it was "make it wetter in my face" I'm so dirty! |
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I think he told the story of the song in a recent show, anyone??? I did listen to it the other day but cannot remember which show it is, I'd say one of shows from last Apr/May in the US...
If I remember correctly he was saying that he wrote the song when he was very young, and that the song is about an obsession, and being too young and obsessed with a person, and that you want her to feel the same way about you, and you want to be the only person that she kisses... ever!!! or something like that... |
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I was just going from the lyrics page, who knows maybe Damien doooes say that Oh my viv...so so dirty ...but pretty sexy too ! |
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i really doubt it contains anything too abusive, to be honest. i mean a lot of those words were probably chosen because of the rhyming scheme, more than anything else. and the chorus does kind of defy any statement of an abusive relationship:
"i wanna be the only one that you know, happily your placebo, i wanna be the only one that you know, cos i adore you" though that is the sorta psychotic jealousy that you expect from a 17-year-old boy in a relationship, i don't think it's anything bad... nice analysis by everyone else though
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