Singing?

Tomarse · 03-12-2004, 12:53 AM

Now this is something I've been thinking about for a while. I've written my own music and have started writing the actual "songs" to go with them. Basically I want to sing them myself as they are my songs. I don't mean that to sound arrogant but it's my work. It's just I'm struggling with the singing part. Can anyone sing with practise and a bit of coaching or is it purely a "you have it or you don't" kind of thing? [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]What do you lot reckon? [img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]

Gatsby · 03-12-2004, 01:00 AM

Some people are born naturally good at singing while others have to develop the voice within them... anyone can sing a song with enough practise and effort... (unless of course ur stephen hawkings)

but my advise is to warm up your voice alot and keep trying high notes even if you cant make them as it is stretching the muscles in your vocal box and in time you will become better...

also try to practise singing from within and not using your voice... the sound should come from the diaphram (just below rib cage) so when you are singing try to hold your diaphram to see if you are using it correctly... and just practise practise practise

most of those techniques are for acting purposes but im sure they will work for singing also[img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]

Tomarse · 03-12-2004, 01:16 AM

Thanks. [img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]I've also noticed that my singing varies a lot depending on my confidence at any given time. If I'm in the house and other people are about then it's a bit half hearted but when there's nobody there and I can belt one out then I become much more absorbed and it soundsA LOTbetter. I think I need to work on the confidence building side of it then (sorry, I'm kinda talking to myself here!).

As for the high notes. I generally find that I can hit them more acuratley than the rest! [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]Now this I really don't understand!

Gatsby · 03-12-2004, 01:24 AM

yeah confidence has alot to do with it and singing alone is usually much better than in front of a crowd...but once your happy with your voice the confidence will build & so will your voice

as for hitting high notes better, that is a bit odd actually... probably a good thing in the long run if u can master bass notes better

Tomarse · 03-12-2004, 01:30 AM

I was talking to a friend of mine who is a traditionally trained singer (and is now at the Brighton Institute of Modern Music) and she was telling me about how people have a chest voice and a head voice. Apparently the high notes come from your head voice. Perhaps I therefore need to develop my chest voice. Maybe warming up properly would help, like you suggested. I just find my chest voice to be a bit flat. It does improve if I'm singing for a while tho so perhaps that's the key. (Thinking out loud again [img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img])

Patricia · 03-12-2004, 07:28 AM

Ooooooh I wrote the longest post ever and it got lost!! [img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]I'll have to write it again when I get home I guess. [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]

#Ian# · 03-12-2004, 06:38 PM

Maybe its just a confidence thing/superstition but I find that when I drink a cup of coffee before I pick up the guitar my voice is better.

Lemonhead · 03-12-2004, 07:18 PM

i have no idea but just wanna say best of luck![img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img]i was watching a tv show a while ago thofollowing some guy who makes reeeally reeaaaly long 'talks' (i guess lectures) and he said the best way to keep your voice steady throughout is to go 'Mmmmmmmmmm' really deep for about 10 minutes before you start! umm... may be it's the same thing?![img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img]

have confidence dude! you rok![img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]

Patricia · 03-12-2004, 09:46 PM

Ok, I hope this won't get lost in the depths of my stupid PC.

I intended a week of singing classes; and basically what the lady said, was that no one's a bad singer. Everybody can sing in tune with efforts and training. But some people are bad listeners/hearers...

I think that few people are born with talent, and I'd give anythg to be one of them, to be one of those singers whose voice stay in the listeners' ears for hours. But as it's not my case, all I can hope for is to sing in tune, and give emotion to my singing.

This is a bit hard for me, for a technical reason: my shift from chest to head voice is higher than the average, which basically means that I never sing in head voice. Also, it means that high notes that most girls can hit quite easily are hard for me because they're on the shift. I need to practise to bring that shift toa lower note.

Are you following me? [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]And this is not over...

I've started singing in a "band" (we only do covers, and not only songs I like... But it's better than nothing, and one has to start somewhere) 2 years ago, and at first my voice was almost inaudible, even through the mic. I was told about "the fear of the mic", but I truly believed I did my bestest, and that I could never do better. It was almost discouraging!

But now, 2 years later, I can hear the difference! And singing songs which didn't suit my -limited- range actually helped me to improve, by preventing me from being lazy.

So to answer your question, Tomarse, practising is important. Although if you weren't born a Lisa or a Jeff, there's no point hoping to become one...[img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]

#Ian# · 03-13-2004, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patricia

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So to answer your question, Tomarse, practising is important. Although if you weren't born a Lisa or a Jeff, there's no point hoping to become one...[img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]

Lisa, in addition to natural talent also had years of classical singing training.

Tomarse · 03-13-2004, 01:05 PM

Wow, thanks for the all the advice and support!!

(That doesn't mean that this is the end of this thread though [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img])

megomoo · 03-13-2004, 07:17 PM

i've had singing lessons for 3 years and it definately makes a difference, i recommend a good teacher!!

somma · 03-20-2004, 09:17 PM

I trainsinging for 5 years now and I woud'nt be able to stop !

having a teacher and practise regularly helps to keep your voice in good health.classical singing is also very important to handle one's voice.I won 3-4 tons in 3 years and anyone can do it with a bit of training.

Even ifyou got a good voice at the basis, having a teacher helps to not get the voice tired (with is quite practical when you have to performe a 2hours show...[img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]) and you always find something new to learn,you can always progress!

(I guess it's not clear, but my English is getting worse and worse..sorry..[img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img])

Patricia · 03-20-2004, 11:29 PM

No your English is fine! I wish I had time and money to invest in singing lessons...

somma · 03-21-2004, 10:37 AM

it's not expensive if you find a MJC which has a good singing teacher!

it's about 250 euros for one year...and it's an invesment!

Patricia · 03-21-2004, 10:42 AM

My MJC doesn't do singing classes [img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]

But I will, one day, start taking singing lessons...I swear! [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]Just like I will start playing the guitar, start Swedish lessons again, start tango and salsa lessons... [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]

Miss Pink · 03-21-2004, 11:51 AM

I sing but id love lessons just imagine if we all had the quality of Lisa's voice!!! MAGICAL!!!

ali whitton · 03-22-2004, 08:37 PM

3years ago i dropped outta uni with no idea what to do in life. i started writing songs but firmly believed that i couldn't sing them.it took huge amounts of torture to get me to even play them to anyone. i'm so glad i did. just don't ever hold back, close your eyes, imagine you're somewhere else, and let any apprehensions you have about singing justdisappear. there are very few people in the world that are tone deaf so odds are you can sing. i wish some one had told me this sooner. anyway, keep practising andalso ido recommend lessons cos they've been so helpful to me.

end of story is that now itis my aim to make a living from writing and singing... please check out: www.aliwhitton.co.uk and have a listen. i'llhopefully be gigging in ireland soon.

good luck with it all "tomarse"!

Kristi · 03-23-2004, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patricia

But I will, one day, start taking singing lessons...I swear! [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]Just like I will start playing the guitar, start Swedish lessons again, start tango and salsa lessons... [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]

Yep, same here! One day I am going to learn how to sing well, learn how to play the piano and guitar, be able to do a jumpy spinny thing on ice skates, have a six packon my absand learn how to do a back handspring. [img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img]

Kristi · 03-23-2004, 03:56 AM

just realized this may have been my first post ont he musicians forum, seeing as i dont do anything musical, well i dance but thats TO music, i never bothered... silly me! [img]smileys/smiley29.gif[/img]

Uno- X · 03-24-2004, 06:49 AM

I used to sing in a choir for something like 3 or 4 years. i really could sing. *sigh* but now people just plug their ears when i start singing. O the world is so cruel.

Patricia · 03-24-2004, 06:53 AM

Really? My ex-step-dad used to tell me to stop singing, it "hurt his teeth"[img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]

Uno- X · 03-24-2004, 06:57 AM

really. don't worry one day we'll meet and I'll show ya my vocal abilities. [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]

Patricia · 03-24-2004, 06:58 AM

[img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img]

Uno- X · 03-24-2004, 07:00 AM

or should I say disabilities?! [img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img] I have a pretty low voice but I at least I've no probs with singing alnong Damo.

somma · 03-24-2004, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patricia

My MJC doesn't do singing classes [img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]

apfff!!!they suck!but maybe your MJC will soon open a singing class with all these POp star and Star ac'! since last year, my MJC singing class is full of 12-year-girls who want to be the next "Jenifer"...[img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img]

if some want to check what I am doing in music, you czn visit my band's website

somma · 03-24-2004, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patricia

My MJC doesn't do singing classes [img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]

But I will, one day, start taking singing lessons...I swear! [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]Just like I will start playing the guitar, start Swedish lessons again, start tango and salsa lessons... [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]

Patricia · 03-24-2004, 03:53 PM

Where can I find a link to your website?

somma · 03-25-2004, 06:52 PM

on my profile! [img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]

www.esglow.fr.fm

[img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img]

Kristi · 03-25-2004, 06:54 PM

Whats an MJC?

03-12-2004, 12:53 AM	#1
Tomarse Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 388	Now this is something I've been thinking about for a while. I've written my own music and have started writing the actual "songs" to go with them. Basically I want to sing them myself as they are my songs. I don't mean that to sound arrogant but it's my work. It's just I'm struggling with the singing part. Can anyone sing with practise and a bit of coaching or is it purely a "you have it or you don't" kind of thing? [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]What do you lot reckon? [img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img] __________________ If I was all the colours, I'd paint you pretty in gold.

03-12-2004, 01:00 AM	#2
Gatsby Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dublin Posts: 5,809	Some people are born naturally good at singing while others have to develop the voice within them... anyone can sing a song with enough practise and effort... (unless of course ur stephen hawkings) but my advise is to warm up your voice alot and keep trying high notes even if you cant make them as it is stretching the muscles in your vocal box and in time you will become better... also try to practise singing from within and not using your voice... the sound should come from the diaphram (just below rib cage) so when you are singing try to hold your diaphram to see if you are using it correctly... and just practise practise practise most of those techniques are for acting purposes but im sure they will work for singing also[img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img] __________________ "Tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms further…And on fine morning - So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past." https://www.twitch.tv/simonjmusic

03-12-2004, 01:16 AM	#3
Tomarse Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 388	Thanks. [img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]I've also noticed that my singing varies a lot depending on my confidence at any given time. If I'm in the house and other people are about then it's a bit half hearted but when there's nobody there and I can belt one out then I become much more absorbed and it soundsA LOTbetter. I think I need to work on the confidence building side of it then (sorry, I'm kinda talking to myself here!). As for the high notes. I generally find that I can hit them more acuratley than the rest! [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]Now this I really don't understand! __________________ If I was all the colours, I'd paint you pretty in gold.

03-12-2004, 01:24 AM	#4
Gatsby Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dublin Posts: 5,809	yeah confidence has alot to do with it and singing alone is usually much better than in front of a crowd...but once your happy with your voice the confidence will build & so will your voice as for hitting high notes better, that is a bit odd actually... probably a good thing in the long run if u can master bass notes better __________________ "Tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms further…And on fine morning - So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past." https://www.twitch.tv/simonjmusic

03-12-2004, 01:30 AM	#5
Tomarse Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 388	I was talking to a friend of mine who is a traditionally trained singer (and is now at the Brighton Institute of Modern Music) and she was telling me about how people have a chest voice and a head voice. Apparently the high notes come from your head voice. Perhaps I therefore need to develop my chest voice. Maybe warming up properly would help, like you suggested. I just find my chest voice to be a bit flat. It does improve if I'm singing for a while tho so perhaps that's the key. (Thinking out loud again [img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img]) __________________ If I was all the colours, I'd paint you pretty in gold.

03-12-2004, 07:28 AM	#6
Patricia Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,213	Ooooooh I wrote the longest post ever and it got lost!! [img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]I'll have to write it again when I get home I guess. [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img] __________________ "To do is to be" - Nietzsche "To be is to do" - Kant "Do be do be do" - Sinatra

03-12-2004, 06:38 PM	#7
#Ian# Destroyer of worlds Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,783	Maybe its just a confidence thing/superstition but I find that when I drink a cup of coffee before I pick up the guitar my voice is better. __________________ One day we will die and our ashes will fly from the aeroplane over the sea, but for now we are young let us lay in the sun and count every beautiful thing we can see

03-12-2004, 07:18 PM	#8
Lemonhead Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,097	i have no idea but just wanna say best of luck![img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img]i was watching a tv show a while ago thofollowing some guy who makes reeeally reeaaaly long 'talks' (i guess lectures) and he said the best way to keep your voice steady throughout is to go 'Mmmmmmmmmm' really deep for about 10 minutes before you start! umm... may be it's the same thing?![img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img] have confidence dude! you rok![img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img] __________________ No liquor in the land can stop the brain from bleedin'- Bob Dylan

03-12-2004, 09:46 PM	#9
Patricia Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,213	Ok, I hope this won't get lost in the depths of my stupid PC. I intended a week of singing classes; and basically what the lady said, was that no one's a bad singer. Everybody can sing in tune with efforts and training. But some people are bad listeners/hearers... I think that few people are born with talent, and I'd give anythg to be one of them, to be one of those singers whose voice stay in the listeners' ears for hours. But as it's not my case, all I can hope for is to sing in tune, and give emotion to my singing. This is a bit hard for me, for a technical reason: my shift from chest to head voice is higher than the average, which basically means that I never sing in head voice. Also, it means that high notes that most girls can hit quite easily are hard for me because they're on the shift. I need to practise to bring that shift toa lower note. Are you following me? [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]And this is not over... I've started singing in a "band" (we only do covers, and not only songs I like... But it's better than nothing, and one has to start somewhere) 2 years ago, and at first my voice was almost inaudible, even through the mic. I was told about "the fear of the mic", but I truly believed I did my bestest, and that I could never do better. It was almost discouraging! But now, 2 years later, I can hear the difference! And singing songs which didn't suit my -limited- range actually helped me to improve, by preventing me from being lazy. So to answer your question, Tomarse, practising is important. Although if you weren't born a Lisa or a Jeff, there's no point hoping to become one...[img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img] __________________ "To do is to be" - Nietzsche "To be is to do" - Kant "Do be do be do" - Sinatra

03-13-2004, 01:05 PM	#11
Tomarse Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 388	Wow, thanks for the all the advice and support!! (That doesn't mean that this is the end of this thread though [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]) __________________ If I was all the colours, I'd paint you pretty in gold.

03-13-2004, 07:17 PM	#12
megomoo Eskimo Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 331	i've had singing lessons for 3 years and it definately makes a difference, i recommend a good teacher!! __________________ You can relate to any cow because you are cow in the cow community essentially sharing the same experience

03-20-2004, 09:17 PM	#13
somma fisherman's woman Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK and France(Nancy) Posts: 44	I trainsinging for 5 years now and I woud'nt be able to stop ! having a teacher and practise regularly helps to keep your voice in good health.classical singing is also very important to handle one's voice.I won 3-4 tons in 3 years and anyone can do it with a bit of training. Even ifyou got a good voice at the basis, having a teacher helps to not get the voice tired (with is quite practical when you have to performe a 2hours show...[img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]) and you always find something new to learn,you can always progress! (I guess it's not clear, but my English is getting worse and worse..sorry..[img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]) __________________ soogoose..yeah..soogoose...

03-20-2004, 11:29 PM	#14
Patricia Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,213	No your English is fine! I wish I had time and money to invest in singing lessons... __________________ "To do is to be" - Nietzsche "To be is to do" - Kant "Do be do be do" - Sinatra

03-21-2004, 10:37 AM	#15
somma fisherman's woman Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK and France(Nancy) Posts: 44	it's not expensive if you find a MJC which has a good singing teacher! it's about 250 euros for one year...and it's an invesment! __________________ soogoose..yeah..soogoose...

03-21-2004, 10:42 AM	#16
Patricia Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,213	My MJC doesn't do singing classes [img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img] But I will, one day, start taking singing lessons...I swear! [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]Just like I will start playing the guitar, start Swedish lessons again, start tango and salsa lessons... [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img] __________________ "To do is to be" - Nietzsche "To be is to do" - Kant "Do be do be do" - Sinatra

03-21-2004, 11:51 AM	#17
Miss Pink Eskimo Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,327	I sing but id love lessons just imagine if we all had the quality of Lisa's voice!!! MAGICAL!!! __________________ We don't crave what hurts... we hurt when we hope for something and it turns out to not be what we wanted...the pain is often our hope breaking... not our hearts.

03-22-2004, 08:37 PM	#18
ali whitton Eskimo Friend Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 41	3years ago i dropped outta uni with no idea what to do in life. i started writing songs but firmly believed that i couldn't sing them.it took huge amounts of torture to get me to even play them to anyone. i'm so glad i did. just don't ever hold back, close your eyes, imagine you're somewhere else, and let any apprehensions you have about singing justdisappear. there are very few people in the world that are tone deaf so odds are you can sing. i wish some one had told me this sooner. anyway, keep practising andalso ido recommend lessons cos they've been so helpful to me. end of story is that now itis my aim to make a living from writing and singing... please check out: www.aliwhitton.co.uk and have a listen. i'llhopefully be gigging in ireland soon. good luck with it all "tomarse"! __________________ http://www.aliwhitton.co.uk

03-23-2004, 03:56 AM	#20
Kristi The Prodigal Eskimo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: We are nowhere and this is now. Posts: 2,397	just realized this may have been my first post ont he musicians forum, seeing as i dont do anything musical, well i dance but thats TO music, i never bothered... silly me! [img]smileys/smiley29.gif[/img] __________________ I like you, do you like me?

03-24-2004, 06:49 AM	#21
Uno- X Eskimo CSI Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,495	I used to sing in a choir for something like 3 or 4 years. i really could sing. sigh but now people just plug their ears when i start singing. O the world is so cruel. __________________ Do you realize that you have the most beautiful face? Do you realize we're floating in space?

03-24-2004, 06:53 AM	#22
Patricia Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,213	Really? My ex-step-dad used to tell me to stop singing, it "hurt his teeth"[img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img] __________________ "To do is to be" - Nietzsche "To be is to do" - Kant "Do be do be do" - Sinatra

03-24-2004, 06:57 AM	#23
Uno- X Eskimo CSI Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,495	really. don't worry one day we'll meet and I'll show ya my vocal abilities. [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img] __________________ Do you realize that you have the most beautiful face? Do you realize we're floating in space?

03-24-2004, 06:58 AM	#24
Patricia Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,213	[img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img] __________________ "To do is to be" - Nietzsche "To be is to do" - Kant "Do be do be do" - Sinatra

03-24-2004, 07:00 AM	#25
Uno- X Eskimo CSI Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,495	or should I say disabilities?! [img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img] I have a pretty low voice but I at least I've no probs with singing alnong Damo. __________________ Do you realize that you have the most beautiful face? Do you realize we're floating in space?

03-24-2004, 03:53 PM	#28
Patricia Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,213	Where can I find a link to your website? __________________ "To do is to be" - Nietzsche "To be is to do" - Kant "Do be do be do" - Sinatra

03-25-2004, 06:52 PM	#29
somma fisherman's woman Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK and France(Nancy) Posts: 44	on my profile! [img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img] www.esglow.fr.fm [img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img] __________________ soogoose..yeah..soogoose...

03-25-2004, 06:54 PM	#30
Kristi The Prodigal Eskimo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: We are nowhere and this is now. Posts: 2,397	Whats an MJC? __________________ I like you, do you like me?

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