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Old 05-03-2004, 12:43 PM   #1
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helooo,


abit random, but i write my own stuff and came to wondering how damien writes his own music...then started wondering how other people in general write their own music...


when i write songs i make up a chord sequence, then randomly start singing a tune and see what words come out of me, i never think about it..


but simply out of interest i was wondering if anyone writes the tune first and then fits the chords to it, or they write the words first..or whatever???


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Old 05-03-2004, 12:47 PM   #2
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I only write music-less songs, Im no musician [img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]
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Old 05-03-2004, 12:50 PM   #3
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I have a notebook that I keep lyric ideas in.

As for the music I'll mess about with chords until I find somethign that I think sounds nice/interestng and go from there.
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Old 05-03-2004, 01:10 PM   #4
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got a note book too, mostly containing fragments of ideas that might and might not be applicable for songs later on.


got a dictaphone for melody ideas.


and then i gotan ooooold yamaha mini keyboard for the chords. still looking for something better, though.


oh and to me the words come first most of the times. usually with no melody at all, but sometimes words and melody gets there simultaniously. and then much later on comes the chords. - that's sort of the reverse of your process, huh ayla? well, more or less at least.Edited by: supercille
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Old 05-03-2004, 02:35 PM   #5
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i obviously don't have a formula because sometimes my songs are written in different ways...


sometimes i'll pick up my guitar, play one chord and then i'll just start singing andwords will come out of my mouth without me understanding them and my fingers will move to a new chord without my brain moving them there... it's quite strange and i feel powerless but it's a magical thing so i try to remember the lyrics and then i write them down after i'm done playing as best i can and then go back once or twice to refine them and make them fit a little better...


other times i will write random one-liners in this book i carry and then i try to expand on them later... then i'll usually try to work them in with some guitar licks i've been working on and try to make the two mesh together from there... these songs usually don't come out as well as the ones i write when the guitar and lyrics just subconsciously pour out of me...
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Old 05-03-2004, 03:45 PM   #6
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I write music, but rarely do I ever write words to it. A good friend of mine often writes words to my stuff though. As far as writing music goes, sometimes I write something based on theory and sometimes I completely through the theory out the window and just go with whatever sounds good. Sometimes I even make up chords and don't really think about what I'm playing. It just depends on thekind of mood I'm in. Sometimes it depends on the amount of whisky in my veins [img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img].


A good experiment to try - put your guitar in a tuning that you are unfamiliar with and just start playing. You may get beautiful music or you may get sh*t, perhaps a mixture of the two.
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Old 05-03-2004, 04:04 PM   #7
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A good experiment to try - put your guitar in a tuning that you are unfamiliar with and just start playing. You may get beautiful music or you may get sh*t, perhaps a mixture of the two.

i love trying new tunings... my favorite one these days is DADDDD... i threw it in that tuning a few years ago and have written a lot of my best stuff in it...


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Sometimes it depends on the amount of whisky in my veins .

i like this experiment best...
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Old 05-03-2004, 06:24 PM   #8
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Like Corey had said, I write songs in different ways. But I usually come up with words and an idea for a melody, then add guitar to it. I think my main reasoning for this is that I'm not really that great of a guitar player... I'm a much better lyricist and vocalist. That's why most of my songs revolve around the lyrics and the vocals with the guitar under it for foundation. But at times I have had the guitar part first and words have just come to me while I was playing. But that's what makes songwriting so beautiful! The fact that there are so many different ways to go about doing it. I still need to try that whisky experiment though...
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Old 05-03-2004, 06:39 PM   #9
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I recently had my first real go at writing music. No lyrics as yet but i got together with a friend and we just bounced ideas off each other as we played, and scribbled down the notes etc as we went along. We've only got the main structure sorted at the moment but its something to build on - and such a fun way of doing it.
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Old 05-03-2004, 06:48 PM   #10
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No one really asked for help on how to write songs, but I just thought I would add this in case anyone was in need... In my opinion, the book "Songwriting for Dummies" is actually very helpful and informative. From music to lyrics to the business of it all. It's not a bad buy for twenty dollars. It's definately helpful if you have a lot of ideas, but can never really get anything finished.
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Old 05-03-2004, 08:44 PM   #11
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...i got together with a friend and we just bounced ideas off each other as we played, and scribbled down the notes etc as we went along...

This is one of my favorite ways to write songs. Sometimes a really good song will come from just jamming with someone. It's always good to get a different perspectve on music to help you grow. Also, if you have a very like minded friend musically, teaming up will help you get over ruts and difficult transitions better. Again going back to perspective, the other person may have an idea that never entered your head but perfectly complements something you have already written. Fun stuff.
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Old 05-04-2004, 10:01 AM   #12
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I don't write songs - though I was the original composer of 'I've Got A Brand New Combine Harvester'
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Old 05-05-2004, 08:53 PM   #13
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yeh im getting abit bored of writing chords sequences first and then adding a tune after. my problem is i can never remeber tunes if i make them up from nowhere..i have to have the chords first which is rather crap.... also begginning to run out of ways to make standard chords original...not the best guitarist you see...


im glad there's other people who write songs by just letting it come out... with lyrics and tunes for songs im often really suprised how things just seem to flow out of my mouth..im like whooaa...sometimes sing about random random things...abit like therapy..no inhibitions..ha ha..


oh how i love music[img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img]


thanx for the replies...tis very interesting...everyong works best slightly differently i suppose


if anyone has any interesting guitar techniques or anything that 'funk' up a song i'd love to hear


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Old 05-05-2004, 08:57 PM   #14
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oh yeh, and if anyone's into wierd guitar tunings then you should check out some of nick drake music.... all his songs have relaly intersting tunings...sound great


similar to damien, he has a beautiful voice, full of emotion ( but he is actually nothing like damien..oh well) - he had a tragic life..such a gentle voice that people didn't listen to him at concerts, his album failed and he died of depression[img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]...


ON a lighter note........hee hee[img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img][img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img]..


yeh he's good..
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Old 05-05-2004, 09:02 PM   #15
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Old 05-05-2004, 09:25 PM   #16
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The best songs are definately those that seem to just flow out of you, like you have no control over what you're doing, the music has control of you. I'm also not particularly great on the guitar but my friend transformed the last song I wrote by composing a cello piece for it, so yeah, jamming with friends can really add a new dimension.


And on the subject of tuning, I only know 2 types: In tune and out of tune [img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img]
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Old 05-06-2004, 10:20 AM   #17
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more about alternate tunings...


check out duncan sheik....the guy uses different tunings on almost all his songs, if im not wrong, to good effect...u can see the tunings he uses in the liner notes of his 2nd album 'humming'..stuff like DGCFAD or C#C#EF#BE...


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Old 05-07-2004, 04:05 PM   #18
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Nick Drake, Ani DiFranco, Coldplay, heck, even Goo Goo Dolls use alternate tunings.



As to how I write? Usually melody lines come to me every hour. The only
problem is that I'm not a very skilled musician yet so by the time I
get into translating it from my head to the guitar, it's usually lost.



Most often it's lyrics. I carry around a handy Pocket PC that works
both as an idea jotter and as a quick tape recorder to record quick
clips. Half the time I forget I have it with me, though. [img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]



I also have a text file for brainstorming lyrics down, but I really
don't "brainstorm," per se. Inspiration hits at the oddest moments,
yanno. The text file's gettin' to be about 20 pages thus far, and
that's not including my box of napkins and receipts that I've jotted
notes on. It's great to be a pack rat when it comes to inspiration.
Just digging or reading can lead to a lot of things, and I've found
that if I go through recent work, say over the past week, I can always
see a certain theme or something that's been subconsciously on my mind
without ever knowing that it has been, so it's good therapy, too.



When I do work off of the lyrics alone, I try to remember the original
melody in my head. If that doesn't work, I sing it acapella because
that forces me to find a melody, then I work from there and try to
fine-tune everything and also write a guitar part to support it.



I don't know. So many different ways. Everyone's creative process is
different, as stated before, and it's wonderful to read how everyone
does it.


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Old 05-07-2004, 04:14 PM   #19
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I usually wait until life makes me feel like jumping off a bridge...then just start playing. Kind of half-hazard, but effective, if not prolific.
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Old 05-09-2004, 05:19 AM   #20
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i don't write songs, but i hear theirryhenry is both a talented writer and has some creative writing styles! Let's hear them, thierry!
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Old 05-10-2004, 04:29 PM   #22
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every time you post it completely ruins the thread.
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Old 05-11-2004, 12:33 AM   #23
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Old 05-11-2004, 04:28 PM   #24
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you spelled "almighty" incorrectly.


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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.








[thread ruined once you said I write songs, because you and I both know who writes the songs.]
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Old 05-17-2004, 03:04 PM   #28
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i think john lennon once said something about the three blind mice trick. this he would use some chords from different songs and sing three blind mice to it, but obviously hed have to sing differently to fit the lyrics with the chords and likewise causing bloth to mold into something completely different. example try singing let it be to the chords of blowers daughter holding some chords longer or shorter and it becomes something new. then just change the lyrics.
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Old 05-18-2004, 07:11 PM   #29
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i write lyrics first, but then i'm terrible at writing melodies. i keep hearing from people that they hear melodies in their heads ... lucky them. fortunately, in my current band i don't play the guitar or sing, just the keyboards andviolin, so the song structure does not depend so much on my parts.


i think the danger in writing lyrics separately from the melody is that the words have to stretch unnaturally to fit, and that makes music sound awkward.
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hey, work with everyhting first to see whats good for you, don't sit down thinking i have to write something good just write what's in your head play with it, always humming, and strumming, but it works different for everyone write to feel better, and to express yourself. pick something you feel strongly about, something thats on your mind and then make it universal, like when damien sings "too shy, i should have kissed you" everyone can relate but you know its personal at the same time. hope that helps, have fun with music, its beautiful
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