9 Crimes is 1st single off 9 - Page 4

cille · 09-22-2006, 03:07 PM

^ & ^^ why?

Bumpman · 09-22-2006, 03:19 PM

Arse biscuits.

borneoman · 09-22-2006, 03:43 PM

Putting the first single 2 weeks after the album is like a new strategy to sell more albums... Massive Attack did it for the Mezzanine album and Robbie Williams does it all the time

Bumpman · 09-22-2006, 04:49 PM

I think it's a better idea, I haven't listened to Nine Crimes yet and I don't really intend to. I kinda prefer to take in the whole album in context, if it were out as a single though you'd hear it everywhere, and it would sort of ruin the surprise.

Nana · 09-22-2006, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karolina

I think Damien doesn't need Lisa at all...

I feel the same way

Wheels · 09-22-2006, 07:15 PM

But I need Lisa!!

Hendrik · 09-22-2006, 07:18 PM

Cille sent me a lovely PM today, thanks, but...is that all right with you?

droovin · 09-22-2006, 08:15 PM

It's not a case of him "needing" Lisa at all. It just adds another dimension to each song, something extra to differentiate from all of the other artists out there

Or that might just be my way of thinking, I dunno

Karolina · 09-22-2006, 08:23 PM

Lisa sounds like a pop vocalist in that new version of nine crimes. i hope she sings just in this song...
If the album is the same as new 9 crimes, this will not be the same music, the same Damien... IT'S SAD!
I don't want to get disappoint.

cille · 09-22-2006, 08:24 PM

Comeon, it's all pop music, always have been! And I really don't think Lisa sounds any different on this one than she did before.

What's this anti Lisa campaign, it seems to have come totally out of the blue.. They are great together, and pretty damn good alone, it's all good you know?
As a girl it can be hard to recognize Lisa's qualities, cause she is so talented, intense, captivating, beautiful, delicate and mysterious - frankly, it sometimes leaves a tiny pinch of petty envy in my stomach, cause i'll never be all that. But it feels a lot better enjoying and recognizing her work and let go off all mean spirits. I hope they'll do a lot more work together in the future, and a lot work without eachother, none of it can ever be bad I'm sure.

Karolina · 09-22-2006, 08:31 PM

I'm not in anti-Lisa campaign.
I like her in The blowers doughter, I like her in Cold Water, I like her even in Then Go, when she sings alone...
But single is a big disappointment.
Damien is not POP, is he? He is more soft rock, or I dont know...

droovin · 09-22-2006, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karolina

Lisa sounds like a pop vocalist in that new version of nine crimes. i hope she sings just in this song...
If the album is the same as new 9 crimes, this will not be the same music, the same Damien... IT'S SAD!
I don't want to get disappoint.

I can see why you'd think that, but, I also think it's pretty harsh on Lisa to compare her to most of the run of the mill "pop stars" around at the moment. Mainly because she is such an amazing singer, with so much to give in terms of emotion, passion, etc. I think if you take Lisa away from it all together, you won't get the same album/music. It all adds up to a good experience. They are awesome individually, but together, they just work. It's pretty hard to find stuff like that nowadays

And yeh, I've been on this board for like 2 days or something, and it is a pretty sudden outburst of "get Lisa out!" type thing. Bit surprising as well!

I didn't notice a difference either in her voice in this song compared to any of the others really

droovin · 09-22-2006, 08:35 PM

Oh yeh, and the term "pop" really should be reverted back to meaning "popular". It's too broad a term to use on one genre alone, because at least one artist from (nearly) all genres can be classed as popular

Another slice of randomness there ^_^

cille · 09-22-2006, 08:35 PM

There definately is an element of pop music in his work I think - hard to separate rock from pop isn't it? His music basically has pretty definate structeres; verse - chorus - verse - chorus, well-known rock/pop chord progresses and so on.
I mean, it's not like it's atonal avantgarde jazz or anything, even though he experiements from time to time.

Timeé · 09-22-2006, 08:41 PM

yes pop has changed into a bad word in terms of music. nobody wants to be "pop" anymore. it pissed me off when James Blunt's Record Company genred him as "rock" on Itunes. my sisters of course. i wouldnt listen to the bastard with a 9 foot earwig amp.

droovin · 09-22-2006, 08:43 PM

To be honest, I don't really mind James Blunt. Basically because I bought his CD on the release date, like 5 or so months before anyone started going "Oh yeh have you heard about this guy?"

The thing that annoys me about it all is how popularity pretty much wrecked any credibility he may have had

cille · 09-22-2006, 08:44 PM

^well I think his songwriting wrecked it before anything else, but maybe that's just me

droovin · 09-22-2006, 08:47 PM

Haha fair enough. I bought it because I got an email saying that he was going to be big. Put it this way, if they (I don't exactly know who "they" would be like, but oh well) got rid of him, they'd have to get rid of Ronan "yes, I covered Iris" Keating. Ohh I can't stand the man!

Wheels · 09-22-2006, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karolina

Lisa sounds like a pop vocalist in that new version of nine crimes. i hope she sings just in this song...
If the album is the same as new 9 crimes, this will not be the same music, the same Damien... IT'S SAD!
I don't want to get disappoint.

Lisa never sounds like a 'pop' vocalist. Her voice is soulful...

Bumpman · 09-22-2006, 10:18 PM

This is really going to the heart of what criticism can be. The fact is that there are probably only a few hundred people in the world who can sing like Lisa, and yet people feel justified in talking about her talent as if she were invading Damien's potential. Most of us, in our lives, will never create anything on the scale of what she and Damien have done together over the last few years, we simply don't have the creative capacity to take an idea and run with it to a point where millions of people begin to notice... And considering that, how can any of you feel qualified enough to say that any integral element of what the band does is so lackluster that it can be dismissed out of hand?

Timeé · 09-22-2006, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumpman

Most of us, in our lives, will never create anything on the scale of what she and Damien have done together over the last few years of hand

dont judge "us"

cille · 09-22-2006, 10:39 PM

^tis true tho

Bumpman · 09-22-2006, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timeé

dont judge "us"

Things don't get made by hoping, it's 'doing' that's the trick. When you've made something better then "O", then you'll have the stones to back up dismissing someone else's talent. Until then you're on the sidelines.

PenguinBoy · 09-22-2006, 10:58 PM

is this gonna be the reccord that makes him number 1? and will that make everyone turn up their screwy little noses at me callng me sooooooooooooooooooo much of a conformist sheep?

Lisa is someone damien choses to work with, therefore she is PART of his music. as much as his voice and his guitar. Her voice seems different in 9 crimes than in say Silent Night. Who's to know, it's still lush.

Miss Pink · 09-22-2006, 11:40 PM

its delicate and emotional...and to quote wheels. soulfull

cille · 09-22-2006, 11:49 PM

and to quote father Jack: "DRINK!"

(yeah I'm drunk)

julia · 09-23-2006, 12:28 AM

Lisa's voice soothes the soul. Damien and Lisa together> Perfection, sensory overload. Simply they feed off each other.
I do love Damien solo ..

I think Lisa softens him a bit, he seems more vulnerable with her. I will take Both any way I can get them.

SisterMidnight · 09-23-2006, 06:17 AM

first off - damien's NOT pop (not in my universe anyway) and neither is lisa for that matter..

but honestly i had a twinge of disappointment when the song first started and it was lisa singing.. i was expecting damien (and i warmed up to it as soon as his voice came in) and in this particular instance i don't think her voice suits the song, vocally and especially lyrically. i've found myself listening to other songs lately too, where i wished it wasn't lisa singing but damien alone..

no one can deny that lisa has a lovely voice and many of the songs on "O" wouldn't have been the same without her.. i was immediately impressed by the fact that damien shared the stage with two women, i think it brings a unique and yeah, maybe "softer" element to his music.. but i don't really listen to hear lisa. i appreciate her contributions but i don't think she's integral, as in he wouldn't still be absolutely amazing without her..

and it's not jealousy, i'm just not a huge lisa lover like some folks.. it's also not a criticism, just an opinion, but i personally like the song better with damien singing it. i love this version more and more the more i listen to it but it still feels a little forced or awkward to me or something and i find myself waiting for damien to come in..

Hendrik · 09-23-2006, 08:13 AM

Without Lisa Damien would just be another "nice singer-songwriter". Only nice. But with Lisa it brings his music to a higher level. Blah.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SisterMidnight

but honestly i had a twinge of disappointment when the song first started and it was lisa singing.. i was expecting damien (and i warmed up to it as soon as his voice came in) and in this particular instance i don't think her voice suits the song, vocally and especially lyrically. i've found myself listening to other songs lately too, where i wished it wasn't lisa singing but damien alone..

I for one had a twinge of dissapointment when I heard Damien's first lines in this song...I mean, he sings so bored, without passion as if he's just gotten out of bed. But the more the song goes on it gets better and he warms up, than the song is alriiiight for meeee.

Johan PV · 09-23-2006, 10:26 AM

I'm not totally agree with you. Damien, alone, it's just awesome, incredible. Did you listened him in a gig? I was on Paris (le trianon), last year, and he was alone, and he was.... the best I ever listened...
Althought I have to recognize that Lisa have a great voice too, and I love listen together.

I love the song 9cirmes. I listened a long time ago in a video in internet, but maybe on the video damien sing strongest (and better for me) than in the new CD. But well, I will like and buy the CD....

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Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	Arse biscuits. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

09-22-2006, 04:49 PM	#94
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	I think it's a better idea, I haven't listened to Nine Crimes yet and I don't really intend to. I kinda prefer to take in the whole album in context, if it were out as a single though you'd hear it everywhere, and it would sort of ruin the surprise. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

09-22-2006, 07:15 PM	#96
Wheels Eskimo Enigma Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Cork Posts: 7,900	But I need Lisa!! __________________

09-22-2006, 07:18 PM	#97
Hendrik Teddy Daniels Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Berlin Posts: 9,693	Cille sent me a lovely PM today, thanks, but...is that all right with you? Last edited by Hendrik; 09-22-2006 at 07:21 PM.

09-22-2006, 03:43 PM	#93
borneoman Insane Eskimo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,151	Putting the first single 2 weeks after the album is like a new strategy to sell more albums... Massive Attack did it for the Mezzanine album and Robbie Williams does it all the time

09-22-2006, 08:15 PM	#98
droovin A Hoi-Hoi Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Wales Posts: 77	It's not a case of him "needing" Lisa at all. It just adds another dimension to each song, something extra to differentiate from all of the other artists out there Or that might just be my way of thinking, I dunno __________________ Me My Band My Usual Hangout

09-22-2006, 08:23 PM	#99
Karolina Eskimo Friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 30	Lisa sounds like a pop vocalist in that new version of nine crimes. i hope she sings just in this song... If the album is the same as new 9 crimes, this will not be the same music, the same Damien... IT'S SAD! I don't want to get disappoint.

09-22-2006, 08:24 PM	#100
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	Comeon, it's all pop music, always have been! And I really don't think Lisa sounds any different on this one than she did before. What's this anti Lisa campaign, it seems to have come totally out of the blue.. They are great together, and pretty damn good alone, it's all good you know? As a girl it can be hard to recognize Lisa's qualities, cause she is so talented, intense, captivating, beautiful, delicate and mysterious - frankly, it sometimes leaves a tiny pinch of petty envy in my stomach, cause i'll never be all that. But it feels a lot better enjoying and recognizing her work and let go off all mean spirits. I hope they'll do a lot more work together in the future, and a lot work without eachother, none of it can ever be bad I'm sure. __________________ Yeah

09-22-2006, 08:31 PM	#101
Karolina Eskimo Friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 30	I'm not in anti-Lisa campaign. I like her in The blowers doughter, I like her in Cold Water, I like her even in Then Go, when she sings alone... But single is a big disappointment. Damien is not POP, is he? He is more soft rock, or I dont know...

09-22-2006, 08:35 PM	#103
droovin A Hoi-Hoi Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Wales Posts: 77	Oh yeh, and the term "pop" really should be reverted back to meaning "popular". It's too broad a term to use on one genre alone, because at least one artist from (nearly) all genres can be classed as popular Another slice of randomness there ^_^ __________________ Me My Band My Usual Hangout

09-22-2006, 08:35 PM	#104
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	There definately is an element of pop music in his work I think - hard to separate rock from pop isn't it? His music basically has pretty definate structeres; verse - chorus - verse - chorus, well-known rock/pop chord progresses and so on. I mean, it's not like it's atonal avantgarde jazz or anything, even though he experiements from time to time. __________________ Yeah

09-22-2006, 08:41 PM	#105
Timeé Intello Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Co. Donegal, Ireland. Posts: 2,435	yes pop has changed into a bad word in terms of music. nobody wants to be "pop" anymore. it pissed me off when James Blunt's Record Company genred him as "rock" on Itunes. my sisters of course. i wouldnt listen to the bastard with a 9 foot earwig amp. __________________ Wasted and wounded, it ain't what the moon did Got what I paid for now See ya tomorrow, hey Frank can I borrow A couple of bucks from you?

09-22-2006, 08:43 PM	#106
droovin A Hoi-Hoi Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Wales Posts: 77	To be honest, I don't really mind James Blunt. Basically because I bought his CD on the release date, like 5 or so months before anyone started going "Oh yeh have you heard about this guy?" The thing that annoys me about it all is how popularity pretty much wrecked any credibility he may have had __________________ Me My Band My Usual Hangout

09-22-2006, 08:44 PM	#107
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	^well I think his songwriting wrecked it before anything else, but maybe that's just me __________________ Yeah

09-22-2006, 08:47 PM	#108
droovin A Hoi-Hoi Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Wales Posts: 77	Haha fair enough. I bought it because I got an email saying that he was going to be big. Put it this way, if they (I don't exactly know who "they" would be like, but oh well) got rid of him, they'd have to get rid of Ronan "yes, I covered Iris" Keating. Ohh I can't stand the man! __________________ Me My Band My Usual Hangout

09-22-2006, 10:18 PM	#110
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	This is really going to the heart of what criticism can be. The fact is that there are probably only a few hundred people in the world who can sing like Lisa, and yet people feel justified in talking about her talent as if she were invading Damien's potential. Most of us, in our lives, will never create anything on the scale of what she and Damien have done together over the last few years, we simply don't have the creative capacity to take an idea and run with it to a point where millions of people begin to notice... And considering that, how can any of you feel qualified enough to say that any integral element of what the band does is so lackluster that it can be dismissed out of hand? __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

09-22-2006, 10:39 PM	#112
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	^tis true tho __________________ Yeah

09-22-2006, 10:58 PM	#114
PenguinBoy Appreciative Minion Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Harlington, Beds, UK. Posts: 1,695	is this gonna be the reccord that makes him number 1? and will that make everyone turn up their screwy little noses at me callng me sooooooooooooooooooo much of a conformist sheep? Lisa is someone damien choses to work with, therefore she is PART of his music. as much as his voice and his guitar. Her voice seems different in 9 crimes than in say Silent Night. Who's to know, it's still lush. __________________ Good eyes see nothing to shoot, Good Feet Feel good giving up good boots. Myspace - My Music - My Last.fm Profile- My LiveJournal - I'm Jacob

09-22-2006, 11:40 PM	#115
Miss Pink Eskimo Regular Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,327	its delicate and emotional...and to quote wheels. soulfull __________________ We don't crave what hurts... we hurt when we hope for something and it turns out to not be what we wanted...the pain is often our hope breaking... not our hearts.

09-22-2006, 11:49 PM	#116
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	and to quote father Jack: "DRINK!" (yeah I'm drunk) __________________ Yeah

09-23-2006, 12:28 AM	#117
julia Eskimo Yogi.. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Portland Girl! Posts: 1,078	Lisa's voice soothes the soul. Damien and Lisa together> Perfection, sensory overload. Simply they feed off each other. I do love Damien solo .. I think Lisa softens him a bit, he seems more vulnerable with her. I will take Both any way I can get them. __________________ "There's something magical about music and the simple fact that it's a vibration of air. It's sort of magical if you vibrate the air in a certain way, people are pleased by it." Damien Rice

09-23-2006, 06:17 AM	#118
SisterMidnight Jellyfishsting Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Is this heaven? Posts: 5,500	first off - damien's NOT pop (not in my universe anyway) and neither is lisa for that matter.. but honestly i had a twinge of disappointment when the song first started and it was lisa singing.. i was expecting damien (and i warmed up to it as soon as his voice came in) and in this particular instance i don't think her voice suits the song, vocally and especially lyrically. i've found myself listening to other songs lately too, where i wished it wasn't lisa singing but damien alone.. no one can deny that lisa has a lovely voice and many of the songs on "O" wouldn't have been the same without her.. i was immediately impressed by the fact that damien shared the stage with two women, i think it brings a unique and yeah, maybe "softer" element to his music.. but i don't really listen to hear lisa. i appreciate her contributions but i don't think she's integral, as in he wouldn't still be absolutely amazing without her.. and it's not jealousy, i'm just not a huge lisa lover like some folks.. it's also not a criticism, just an opinion, but i personally like the song better with damien singing it. i love this version more and more the more i listen to it but it still feels a little forced or awkward to me or something and i find myself waiting for damien to come in..

09-23-2006, 10:26 AM	#120
Johan PV Eskimo Fan Join Date: May 2005 Location: Catalunya, Spain Posts: 43	I'm not totally agree with you. Damien, alone, it's just awesome, incredible. Did you listened him in a gig? I was on Paris (le trianon), last year, and he was alone, and he was.... the best I ever listened... Althought I have to recognize that Lisa have a great voice too, and I love listen together. I love the song 9cirmes. I listened a long time ago in a video in internet, but maybe on the video damien sing strongest (and better for me) than in the new CD. But well, I will like and buy the CD....

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