Sorry lads, I thought it was crap

[aerial]

well said


i mean the fact that i made sure i was on ticketbastard at 11.59 when to get tickets for the last gig must point to the fact that i and the others who went have a genuine interest and appreciation for the performer

[aerial]

when i say i cringed at the over done stunts and rehearsed stories im not slating damo or the actual performance more an aspect of it..i know some sort of a routine will build up when gigging an album like he has been for so long


i cringed beacause for me it took away what maybe i stupidly believed to the element of spontaneity in his performance...i know he's not super human

[cille]

Originally Posted by Funky Avocado

(...) that policy was joke in this community and outside of it. Have you seen a recording go up on archive.org yet?

sorry, but i dont get this - what's DRM? and is there an official policy of not allowing tapers at DR gigs? (where did you hear this, melissa?) a joke - for real? or as in: "we don't care about that policy"? archive.org? when i try to get to that page i get a site with choran quotes. do you mean the archive part of damienricetrading.org? and why did you ask melissa is she'd seen a recording go up there?


[img]smileys/smiley29.gif[/img]sorry about all my silly questions, but i'm really curious to know what this is about...

[daol20]

Originally Posted by Banjaxed

In fairness, we're all on this message board because we
really like Damien's music, but there's a time for everyone when they
have to step away from something they really like so that they can come
back to it later and appreciate it fully again.


criticisms are healthy, but we havea responsibility not to go
over the top too. everything in moderation people. [img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]

Well said.</span>

[paudy]

bravo

[Funky Avocado]

Originally Posted by Banjaxed

In fairness, we're all on this message board because we really like Damien's music, but there's a time for everyone when they have to step away from something they really like so that they can come back to it later and appreciate it fully again.


criticisms are healthy, but we have a responsibility not to go over the top too. everything in moderation people.[img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]

This is a great statement. However, it doesn't apply to this board. For every 1 post that you deem with some form of criticism there are 1000 adoring-fanatic-damien could do no wrong-post on this site. If we were to use moderation as argument, we should have more people who listen with a discerning ear rather than blindly praise an artist that lately might not deserve it all.

Criticism is only worthy based on motive. While some people choose to critique based on being obnoxious and hurtful, I think some of us choose to do so because we think that Damien has much more talent than he currently showing.

Originally Posted by aerial

i cringed beacause for me it took away what maybe i stupidly believed to the element of spontaneity in his performance...

Well said. I've heard those exact sentiments often from people who go more than once to his shows.

[daol20]

Originally Posted by Funky Avocado

This is a great statement. However, it doesn't apply to this board.
For every 1 post that you deem with some form of criticism there are
1000 adoring-fanatic-damien could do no wrong-post on this site. If we
were to use moderation as argument, we should have more people who
listen with a discerning ear rather than blindly praise an artist that
lately might not deserve it all.



Criticism is only worthy based on motive. While some people choose
to critique based on being obnoxious and hurtful, I think some of us
choose to do so because we think that Damien has much more talent than
he currently showing.

I dont think i would view myself as someone who has posted any "</span>adoring-fanatic-damien could do no wrong</span>"
posts. I welcome your critisims, and totally accept that yours are
based on motive. But as such, you should expect to get some contrary
opinions to yours.



I appreciate everything you said, and can accept that his performance is ageing, (but not really that Damien is acting </span>pretentious</span></span>....although
im not sure it was you that said that), and that you have reservations
about seeing him until the act is refreshed. And i myself felt similar
after the gig in Vicar St. in Feburary (but that gig was ruined by the
crowd though) But i really think that in this particaular case (i.e.
Vicar St. May 31st), that the performance was excellent. And not
deserving of this </span></span>disapproval</span>.



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Originally Posted by Funky Avocado

Well said. I've heard those exact sentiments often from people who go more than once to his shows.

Originally Posted by aerial

i just couldnt believe him getting down on his knees for
amie...i was so cringing for him...really embarrasing

Because he was doing the spaceship
thing with the pedals or whatever he uses, doesnt he need to kneel down
to get to them with his hands??? Maybe he could learn to do that with
his feet, then he could save people like you from cringing. Just a
thought.<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">
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The fact that seeing him kneel a
second time in succession ruined the thought of there being spontaneity
in his performances, enough for you to </span>feel very embarrassed</span> for him seems absurd



I realise this topic is going on, but there are so few here of real interest to me lately, im clinging onto it![img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]

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[Banjaxed]

Originally Posted by Funky Avocado

some people choose to critique based on being obnoxious and hurtful,

I agree with this but I alsobelieve some long-time regular posters here make sensational criticisms just for attention. It's cheap and pathetic.

Originally Posted by Funky Avocado

I think some of us choose to do so because we think that Damien has much more talent than he currently showing.

This is true too, but perhaps these people should be careful of the tone of their posts. Try to be positive, not just blindly critical. You'll probably find that people will be more open to what you have to say.


And finally, yes, the "I love Damien" posts are just as meaningless as the "I hate Damien" posts. The only difference is, I can understand the "I love Damien" posters being here, the "I hates" maybe should be spending their time somewhere else!

[Banjaxed]

Originally Posted by daol20

Because he was doing the spaceship thing with the pedals or whatever he uses, doesnt he need to kneel down to get to them with his hands??? Maybe he could learn to do that with his feet, then he could save people like you from cringing. Just a thought.<BR style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)">

Yeah,I was thinking that too! Even at that, somepeople would only enjoy the "authenticity" of a real spaceship landing on the roof.

[Gatsby]

Originally Posted by Patricia

That's what you said after the last gig, and then you complained about not being able to go to this one. Can't find the reference on this board, but here's what you say on the Irish Music Central forum (about Glen Hansard's concert in June)


"what a bad time to be broke... first damo now this[img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]"


If you want to bitch about Damien's live performances, try to play as many gigs as him andbe creative everytime... and stop contradicting yourself!

theres no need to get offensive in posts but i will reply anyways:


ive been in 2 ways about damien for some time as i havent enjoy the gigs as much as i used to. it really started at witnness when i got terrible vibes from the gig. He came out and i just thought "what the hell is this" and really didnt enjoy it


then the feeling somewhat stuck at his live gigs for me... so i was always in 2 ways about going to his gig or not/if id enjoy it as much or not


i said i wanted to go to the last gig. AND I DID. but i was broke so i didnt go... Just because i complain about him as a live performer doesnt mean i dont want to see him...


I wont give my views in future if they are negative as it seems people only want to hear damiens positives and praise him constantly...

[daol20]

Originally Posted by Jeweller

I wont give my views in future if they are negative as
it seems people only want to hear damiens positives and praise him
constantly...

I think Patricia was just pointing out that you sounded a bit </span>hypocritical</span>. </span></span></font>

</span>I dont think meant to offend.



I know i want to hear the critics aswell as the praises. The reason im
getting involved at all is that it dont feel they are waranted in
regards to the last gig. Especially with things like him </span>remaining on his feet</span></span> </span>while playing amie to so as to avoid </span></span>'losing his </span>spontaneity</span></span>'.

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[Gatsby]

Originally Posted by daol20

I think Patricia was just pointing out that you sounded a bit hypocritical.
I dont think meant to offend.

yes i agree i sounded hypocritical but the one thing i didnt want was to turn this into an argument...


i kinda wanted to go to this gig moreso because it was less of a hype and less of a commercial gig.


Also - I just wish he wouldnt stick to playing Vicar street constantly... apart from me not liking the place too much i think he is too well used to it now and maybe he should try going back to the olympia where (i feel) the vibe of the place is much better

[daol20]

Good point!</span>

[Enoch]

[img]smileys/smiley32.gif[/img]for a thread worth reading. I expressed my disappointment at the Glasgow gig, tho I still can't wait till he comes back ....

[daol20]

Its a shame its died down. I liked this one!!</span>

[mestonf]

Hey guys
I'm listening to Damo live at the Beacon THeatre (5/3/04) and he is doing the "Amie" story and it is so different to other versions he has done, i think Damo is one of those performers who hates doing the same thing on tour, he obviously really feels that he wants to change the set?!

[*Kat]

Originally Posted by daol20

There are plenty of artists that perform the first few songs before saying a word.

It's nice and all to have a certain amount of interaction with the audience. I've seen him live about ten times and he often takes requests for encores and things like that. But when it comes down to it, we go to see a MUSICIAN. If him not telling stories before every song means we hear more songs, then all the better.Edited by: *Kat

[mestonf]

Originally Posted by *Kat

It's nice and all to have a certain amount of interaction with the audience. I've seen him live about ten times and he often takes requests for encores and things like that. But when it comes down to it, we go to see a MUSICIAN. If him not telling stories before every song means we hear more songs, then all the better.

Yeah but would you want to go to a gig where the musician doesn't say a thing at all!?!? I don't think so. THats the whole point of DAmo, he communicates and makes us feel welcome rather than just thinking "Oh its another gig!"

[*Kat]

Not what I was sayin, but he's never said nothing at any gig I've been to and I've never felt he owed it to any audiencew i've been in to say more. Maybe i've just been lucky in the gigs I've been at.

[Gatsby]

when you go to a live performance you dont want to go like your the spectator and its like listening to a cd of him. You want him to interact and thats something damien isnt the best at with live audiences in my experiences... Tom Mcrae &amp; Mark Geary are probably the 2 best gigs i was at where it made me understand the artist much more and the 2 of them really should be part time comedians, they entertained me and got me laughing and thats what i want at a live performance... im not saying damien should do handstands to entertain us but a bit more interaction nowadays would be nice as the last few ive seen he has barely said too much which is dissapointing

[daol20]

I dont think that its an essential
part of the performance. Some artists do it, some dont. I dont expect
it, and am never bothered it they dont.





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Edited by: daol20

[daol20]

Originally Posted by *Kat

...If him not telling stories before every song means we hear more songs, then all the better.

Originally Posted by *Kat

... and I've never felt he owed it to any audiencew i've been in to say more...

Yes!!! I agree!</span>

[Enoch]

Has anybody considered that perhaps Damien grows tired of the stories after a while also??

[mestonf]

yeah thats what i think enoch i reckon damo wants to do more but feels he can't