Damo selling out.

[sadistic_bunny]

Aha! oh frabous day, let the bells ring out and all the cherubs, sentenials and seraphims sing out for I am back!


after a devesting computerless time, im finally back in the game. I believe my last post was about seeing Damien & frames at Beacon N.Y.C


Anyhoos, in ireland damo has released cannonball with this suped up beat in the back. I've had many a debate with friends as to whether or not he's sold out. My view is that we, who loved damo from the start and are bitter at sharing him with other people. And also, being irish we can't be happy for anyone else's success: "Oh sure she's built up her own company from the ground despite having no arms or legs, but did you know her mother used only put £2 into the collection plate be gad"


anyways id like to hear other people's opinion on this "selling out" lark. also i'v been out of the loop for so long (big bright lights of college now) tell me all the latest news.


please and thank you. phew.

[ZachC]

ok i hate the term ... "selling out" ... because im pretty sure almost 80% of people would do something like that for a little bit more of money .... but i dont like the upbeat "cannonball" just my opinion no he didnt sell out !!!

[Bumpman]

Well as a condition of the release of the cannonball remix Damien has gotten a contract saying that none of his songs will ever be remixed again, thus the dodgy remix is a means to an end, that Damien has asked his fans to simply ignore.

Originally Posted by sadistic_bunny

My view is that we, who loved damo from the start are bitter at sharing him with other people. And also, being irish we can't be happy for anyone else's success

You seem to implicate that since Damien released "O" here first, irish people have more of a right to listen to his music then people from other countries. That is really intelligent.

[mestonf]

Damos music will never ever sell out on me!

[jayavo]

this is the same guy thatcut his hair in protest over his record company setting up a photo op right?


the same guy that told his record company to stop advertising 'o' on t.v. right?


hmmmm....if he is he is not too good at it.


jason


I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.

[Jgrg1984]

"musicians that write songs like damo, that perform like damo, that speak like damo arent "in it" for the money. thats not to say that he isnt interested in money, but its not his purpose. he has to write songs to deal with himself and his world, and thats why they come out the way they do."





.......i said that a few months back in another post when this topic was previously discussed. seemed pertinent to the convo.

[ZachC]

i really agree with that .... you write songs because a song is a part of you you dont care about the money ... im sure if he just made enough to get by with a roof over his head some food and beer and smokes ... im sure hed be pleasently happy with that !!

[Bumpman]

i suppose the real question we should be asking ourselves is, does he give a flying f*ck what anyone (including his fans) think of of him and what he releases... i certainly hope he dosen't anyway.

[the_lady]

art thou mocking mine intelligence? i did believe "selling out" was a term used only by"rock" kidswhoare scared of being different to their "outcast" friends so they all wear baggy jeans and say "dude"and complain about consumerism and capitalism and conglomerates while eating sh*tty pigs ears in Mcdonalds...i am not callingthee a kid i just don't like my hypocritical mates..don't like cannonball"happy" either, but ah well,what can u do?i know how ya feel about thec whole being irish and bitter thing, i do think "give me damo back!"but that's selfish, so good luck to him i luuuuuuuvvvv him.......

[Bumpman]

'selling out' as i understand it, is swapping the integrity of a given art form, for money or fame.
sometimes it happens and sometimes it dosen't, a lot of bands/songwriters are pretty obsessed with what is released in their name, we'll never see a leonard cohen single, a radiohead greatest hits or pj harvey on top of the pops.

Damien seems to give into the demands of his management a lot though, dosen't he?

[LILY]

What about this theory ?

"Slow music" instead of "slow food"

Sound like something Damien might be into, right ?
Sustainable songs...

[Donsie B!]

*ponders*

[Enoch]

The Cannonball remix is growing on me.


The b-sides, re-releases debate? I just don't buy them.


If it wasn't for TV advertising I wouldn't have heard of Damien when I did.


Do I think he's a sell out (whatever that is) - No


Music is big business and I doubt thathe has 100% control over media, advertising, releases etc.


PS I'm tired of threads like this.

[Jgrg1984]

"PS I'm tired of threads like this."


..indeed

[Geppy]

Funny, had this conversation in Lit the other day. I say, if you make
money and you're damn good at it. Good for you. "Selling Out" ...really
don't like that term, we've just made it such a big deal that artists want to
make money as well as good music...then again there are those that make
good money but can't play an instrument o sing if their lives depended
on it! woot!Edited by: Geppy

[mr. boland]

the only time i will say "sell-out" is when a band/group/ or solo
artist, starts to fade away in popularity.. then does whatever their
record label does.. most notably, changing the sound of the music and
changing the song-writing.. this happened to Metallica in 1996.. where
their old sound was not the "in" thing.. even happened to Dave Matthews
BAnd(whom i am a fan of).. but once his "Everyday" Album came out. the
songwriting of DMB has been nothing the same since his first 3 major
releases..

.. anyway.. my point is.. i don't see damien, with his love for his
music and politics, changing anything that he doesn't want to do
himself. . if something will give him an extra few bucks and it's
something he agrees to..it's definitely not selling out.. if some
record label exec. guy tells him that his guitar looks old and ratty
and should try using a brand new Taylor or Martin Acoustic.. then there
will be problems..

[indigoangel]

well damien has never really been about making money, i think thats very clear. im sure if he wanted to at this stage he could have be very wealthy considering the amount of interest there is in him, but he just continues working on his music rather than working towards making a wealthy career for himself. in interviews with him he stresses that its all about the music, nothing to do with awards or rewards. i really doubt that the cannonball remix was about "selling out", more like experimentation, trial and error - every artist does it.

[Juzzza]

Selling out = success


Which is sad don't you think?


To me, an artist only sells out when they stop putting their hearts into their craft, if they ain't feeling it and are ONLY in the game for the money, then they have sold out.


I don't care how successful Damo gets, how many adverts he makes, how many movie soundtracks he is in, how many remixes of Cannonball he does (and the listing in the guiness book of records for the bloody things)... As long as damo is feeling it, I am feeling it.


Some people confuse success with selling out, I'm not sure what these people expect from their artists... Maybe damo should die for our sins, we could all whip him, stab him and then crucify him on a cross...


Only jokin, but you see my point right?

[Jgrg1984]

Originally Posted by Juzzza

To me, an artist only sells out when they stop putting their hearts into their craft, if they ain't feeling it and are ONLY in the game for the money, then they have sold out.

...thats what selling out should be though!!! who cares if you make some cash, you need to survive, who cares if you are more popular; if you are good its inevitable.

[ZachC]

im in total agreeance with jg there ... you need to do things sometimes to get yourself in a good position... weve all done it ...

[Jgrg1984]

theres nothing wrong with it. its a common goal in life. to be comfortable. and another note, people that sell out do not go to burhma for weeks. im done. this topic should be over.

[Bumpman]

well then i should get to write the last post [img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]

[Jgrg1984]

no

[ali*]

[img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]


(fuel to the fire...)

[Jgrg1984]

i could go for a long time....

[ZachC]

stop the madness

[sadistic_bunny]

Originally Posted by sadistic_bunny

My view is that we, who loved damo from the start are bitter at sharing him with other people. And also, being irish we can't be happy for anyone else's success

You seem to implicate that since Damien released "O" here first, irish people have more of a right to listen to his music then people from other countries. That is really intelligent.[/quote]


alright, i was merely being an impartial person, throwing out a discussion that I'd had with my friends, trying to get other perspectives. Of course I don't think that we, as Irish have a divine right to listen to him, that would be absurd, Its true, people DO get bitter that he's made it big, but I didn't say I condoned this, it was a mere observation.


bygones.

[Jaguar]

don't you think it might be because damo just heard a remix of the song and thought it was cool, and then released it. on the b-sides album he tells people to listen to the original versions, so they know where the remix came from. He's just an eclectic care-bear really. shame on all of you, damo isn't selling out, and it's interesting to see that if he did, that you wouldn't like him anymore. what does it matter where music is in the world. if it's in top of the pops, so be it. it could still be a good song. but alot of people who figure themselves as having "good taste" in music don't accept this. they want an exclusive club and don't accept popular music because of the term popular. pop music as a term should be thrown out. call it youth music.





P.S.- I'm drunk.

[mestonf]

Originally Posted by Jaguar

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P.S.- I'm drunk.

Its only lunchtime! [img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img] !

[sadistic_bunny]

In fairness, wouldn't we all be drunk all the time if we had the chance? be honest. it would make the world a better place. Less fighting and more sing songs and talking to random people.


Hurrah drunkenness.!