Damien: not far from the holy rush of heaven?

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by Niko

Hendrik, 24-7 Prayer isn't just a website. Without wanting to get into it too much, it's a global organisation that does what it says in the name - it aims to keep a chain of prayer going on for 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It's not about "making them feel good", it's part of their faith.

But specifically those last two sentences of yours I've quoted above...Doesn't that apply just as equally to the igloo?

No, it doesn't cos we even tolerate the intolerable (or do we kick out people who don't like Damo that much?).

I didn't know that it was 'just a website'.

[Closing_Doors]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

No, it doesn't cos we even tolerate the intolerable (or do we kick out people who don't like Damo that much?).

Do you see a section in the forum for "Damien haters"?

People can believe what they like, should feel free to talk about what they believe with other people and (shock horror) have every right to set up websites about it. End of.

[Niko]

Aside from which, where does it say on the 24-7 website that they don't tolerate certain groups of people? Having read Peter Greig's book "Red Moon Rising", which is all about how he came to set up the 24-7 Prayer movement, it seems pretty clear to me that he's a very liberal, tolerant man who has time for most people and groups.

[G2020]

Pffffffttttt.........................**** that.

[Cali]

Originally Posted by *Kat

Cali, if you're not a Christian then why did the idea of hell worry you in the first place? Isn't that a Christian belief in itself?

i don't worry about hell, but it does affect me when i see my mother praying for the salvation of my soul just because the basis of her religion tells her i'm going to hell or there's something not quite right with me.

i'm sorry if i offended anybody with my words. it wasn't my intention and i didn't think i could offend anybody. but i couldn't just shut up about this issue as it obviously affects me a big deal.

i don't understand organized religion. i don't and won't understand why do people think it's so necessary, it's not. i don't have kids but if i do, i don't want them to think they have to be good in order to get something out of it (heaven) or in order to avoid a horrible punishment (hell). it doesn't work that way, people can and should be good just because.

Originally Posted by Niko

Aside from which, where does it say on the 24-7 website that they don't tolerate certain groups of people? Having read Peter Greig's book "Red Moon Rising", which is all about how he came to set up the 24-7 Prayer movement, it seems pretty clear to me that he's a very liberal, tolerant man who has time for most people and groups.

tolerance is also a horrible horrible concept disguised as a good one. c'mon, you tolerate something that is wrong in the first place. the bible and other 'holy books' have craved into people minds that believing a different god is wrong, that homosexuality is wrong, and so on. they wouldn't have to tolerate anything if it wasn't for their religion. homosexuality is not wrong, no matter how many holy books say it is.

ps. for the record, i don't hate christians. my whole family is and most of my friends are.

[Hendrik]

Originally Posted by Cali

i don't understand organized religion. i don't and won't understand why do people think it's so necessary, it's not. i don't have kids but if i do, i don't want them to think they have to be good in order to get something out of it (heaven) or in order to avoid a horrible punishment (hell). it doesn't work that way, people can and should be good just because.

tolerance is also a horrible horrible concept disguised as a good one. c'mon, you tolerate something that is wrong in the first place. the bible and other 'holy books' have craved into people minds that believing a different god is wrong, that homosexuality is wrong, and so on. they wouldn't have to tolerate anything if it wasn't for their religion. homosexuality is not wrong, no matter how many holy books say it is.

That's exactly what I wanted to say, nothing more. Thanks.

[PenguinBoy]

on homosexuality

the much quoted
Leviticus 18:22 -(Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination (KJV)) is part of the "law".


so...

James 2:10

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. (NIV)

Romans 10:4

Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (NIV)

SORTED

[Cali]

interesting because at least in my experience, jews tend to be more open-minded about homosexuality than christians

ps melissa and henders

[Ranting Thespian]

Mmmm, I also have to tell you guys, Satan does not skimp on the butter and glaze on a turkey. Mmmm, melts in your mouth, what do you think sis-midnight?

Mmmmm, going back for seconds.


*ding*. . . hey, the hash browns are done!

[Niko]

Originally Posted by Cali

interesting because at least in my experience, jews tend to be more open-minded about homosexuality than christians

I can't speak for all Christians, because clearly I haven't met them all and equally clearly there are some who are a bit scary with the ol' fire and brimstone stuff, but I'm a Christian and have no problems with gay people. I have two close gay friends, one of whom shares a house with another close friend of mine who is also a Christian.

And sorry about using the word "tolerant" up there. Bad choice of word on my part, I can totally see where you're coming from. Almost as bad as sweeping generalisations, wouldn't you say?

[Ranting Thespian]

Pretty much, I believe what I believe. But I will never push or force someone to believe those beliefs, or to "obey" my beliefs.

[SisterMidnight]

Originally Posted by Cali

i don't understand organized religion. i don't and won't understand why do people think it's so necessary, it's not. i don't have kids but if i do, i don't want them to think they have to be good in order to get something out of it (heaven) or in order to avoid a horrible punishment (hell). it doesn't work that way, people can and should be good just because.

i completely agree

Originally Posted by Ranting Thespian

Pretty much, I believe what I believe. But I will never push or force someone to believe those beliefs, or to "obey" my beliefs.

exactly