Damien Rice - The Story so far volumes - Page 2

daol20 · 05-30-2004, 11:12 AM

ricefan1, i
suggest you take a look at some of the discussions in the trading
section of this site, there are plenty of points to explain why this is
wrong. </span>You can see that the same guy is
charging a little more than £5.00 a cd!!! These shows are available
free, and the tapers would not be happy (and rightly so) to hear that
the gig that they recorded at great cost and effort, is now being sold
for £14.00 a cd by some scumbag punk!!!!

The tapers have spent alot of effort to share these shows for free, and
they wont continue to do this if people like him get away with selling
these shows.

Everyone of them should be reported!

edit: That user has 25 comments from previous sales. Presumming that
they are all the £14 sales thats atleast £350 that he has made!! I've
not traded on ebay before, but i presume that not everyone comments on
sales, so that must mean there are more.

</span>Edited by: daol20

daol20 · 05-30-2004, 11:47 AM

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cille · 05-30-2004, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mestonf

Hey everyone this is what the guy wrote back to me who i said shouldn't be selling bootlegs on ebay!

"I know, but I've seen many others being sold and I need the cash. It's not
as if I'm mass selling bootlegs, just the odd one now and then. I hope your
not gonna report me.... :=("

Shall i report him or not?!?!?!?!?!?

gosh, i needsome cash too, but to solve this problem i'm planning to get an honerablejob. that is no excuse to exploit other ppl's work and effort (damien + the tapers). damn, that sort of selfishness pisses me off so much!

hope he'll be banned now!Edited by: supercille

daol20 · 05-30-2004, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ebay</span></font></font>

</span>....We
will not be able to keep you informed of any developments for legal
reasons, but we assure you that we will thoroughly examine this
information. We will take the appropriate action for each individual
case, which may involve removing an item or simply issuing a
warning. </font></font>

They've not removed him yet. And
their polic</span>y is to not contact the person who reported the bootleg. So
we'll just have to keep an eye on him.</span>

Edited by: daol20

cille · 05-30-2004, 12:14 PM

what a lame policy.

yeah, let's keep our eyes on him, then!

mestonf · 05-30-2004, 02:47 PM

hey cheers guys for your support. I hate those muppets on ebay. Ricefan man you will have to see that people are making some sort of small (*ahem!*) profit on this CD's. By B+P we make no profit but the profit we have is sharing the wonderous music of Damien. nuff said! [img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img]
Cheers daol20 and supercille [img]smileys/smiley32.gif[/img]
will keep my eyes pealed for any more and report them!
Lets just hope that ebay do something about them

Angela · 05-30-2004, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daol20

They've not removed him yet. And their policy is to not contact the person who reported the bootleg. So we'll just have to keep an eye on him.

Yeah, you have to keep in mind just how much eBay has to to with far more serious fraud. I don't think they have the manpower to truly follow each and every complaint.

BUT...I do know that they often will shut down auctions and I suspect they log those complaints, because I know from sellers who complain about constantly being shut down.

So, just keep reporting them as they come in [img]smileys/smiley6.gif[/img]

daol20 · 05-30-2004, 05:43 PM

This scumbag is selling alot more than the above few shows. He must be making a fair amount from this.</span>

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Angela · 05-30-2004, 05:51 PM

Wait, that's a different selller, though, no? jcdonaggiois now selling only a few cheap books, no bootlegs.

Now *that* guy,peterpandj2003, I'd have no calms shooting down. The nerve! [img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img]

mestonf · 05-30-2004, 06:02 PM

tit [img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img]

ricefan1 · 05-31-2004, 08:26 PM

daol20 sorry for the slow response.

I have looked around the trading forum but I am still at a loss to see where your (and the other's) anger is coming from. As you said

These shows are available free, and the tapers would not be happy (and rightly so) to hear that the gig that they recorded at great cost and effort, is now being sold for £14.00 a cd by some scumbag punk!!!!
So you accept that this guy has gone to "great cost and effort" but still call him a "scumbag punk" for asking £14.00 for a cd.
The tapers have spent alot of effort to share these shows for free, and they wont continue to do this if people like him get away with selling these shows.
is this not like saying that Oxfam will stop giving out free food once they see that Tesco are getting away with selling it for money! If somebody is motivated by sharing and charity, then the actions of others dont come into it, does it?

Dont get me wrong there are many scumbag punks feeding off music fans. Ogranised crime gangs producing bootleg copies of legit albums are #1, with ticket touts a close second, and private copiers / distributors of official CDs in bronze medal position.

Sorry for the long post, keep the faith!

daol20 · 06-01-2004, 12:20 AM

You have me at a loss, as to where you're coming from with this</span>.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricefan1

.....</span></font>So you accept that this guy has gone to "great cost and effort" but still call him a "scumbag punk" for asking £14.00 for a cd.</span></font>....

<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">
Do you think that this guy has recorded the shows himself and is selling his own work????</span><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">
<br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);">
Is that what you think? </span>

daol20 · 06-01-2004, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricefan1

</span>.....is this
not like saying that Oxfam will stop giving out free food once they see
that Tesco are getting away with selling it for money! ....</span>

No its not!

To be honest that </span>comparison </span></span>seems slightly absurd........ but to keep with it....Its
more like Oxfam finding out that the food they're giving out for free,
is being taken from them by Tesco and sold down the street to people. Were Tesco are
making money from Oxfam's generosity.

But lets not get into that kind of BS.

</span>
Edited by: daol20

cille · 06-01-2004, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daol20

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricefan1

.....So you accept that this guy has gone to "great cost and effort" but still call him a "scumbag punk" for asking £14.00 for a cd.....

Do you think that this guy has recorded the shows himself and is selling his own work????

Is that what you think?

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just to set the record straight - and in case ricefan1 doesn't know this: he seems to be selling something other people have recorded. so in order to gethimself some cashhe's really exploiting:
1) damien's music and effort, and his goodwill to let tapers record his shows
2) the tapers who were the ones putting great effort and cost into recording damien's great music
3) the fans, who end up paying a lot of money for a recording when they might as well get the music for free, if only they knew about where and how to get iti'd hate it if damien changes his mind about letting his shows being taped because the recordings aren't used according to the original idea of live music being free for all, and i'm disgusted by ppl who exploit the good will of others for their own economical gain (so i'm quite often disgusted, unfortunately...)

cille · 06-01-2004, 11:31 AM

wow, that peter pan guy is even selling the pink cover 'get the party started' - that is from a charity album!!![img]smileys/smiley11.gif[/img]

cille · 06-01-2004, 05:48 PM

i sent this email to peter pan:

Dear peterpandj2003,

please stop selling damien rice bootlegs! especially the one with the pink cover is distatsteful to sell like you do - it's from a charity album and not supposed to be sold for personal economic gain for ppl like you!

Thank you,
cillemuscille

and got this reply:
<DIV>Hi</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>The item is really cool and very nicefor collectorsand we had many thanks by the fans of damien rice and we are not making a living out of it but paying for our passion for music .</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>thanks
</DIV>

*sigh!* don't know if i even wanna bother to reply...

Gatsby · 06-01-2004, 05:59 PM

be abusive in the highest form... i hate bastard scum like that.. make the world a nasty place[img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]

mestonf · 06-01-2004, 06:41 PM

good work cille!

ricefan1 · 06-01-2004, 09:55 PM

IsDR reallyok with people recording his live shows?

cille · 06-01-2004, 11:55 PM

yeah, i think so. on http://www.damienricetrading.tk/you can read this:

The taping and trading of live music dates back at least thirty years. Its origins are atributed to the Grateful Dead and their fans. Several bands followed in having an open taping policy, notably the Allman Brothers Band and Phish.

In the early 1990's, the Dave Matthews Band formed, and hired Coran Capshaw to be their manager. Coran was a Deadhead whose exposure to the trading scene gave him the idea to grow DMB's audience through live performance, rather than studio albums. DMB's success was attributed to this policy, and has revolutionized the concept of taping and trading.

Following the DMB model, dozens of upcoming artists use live recordings as free promotion. By merely permitting tapers to record and distribute the artist's show, at no cost to the artist, music spreads across continents to people who are most interested in music, without having to worry about radio play, interviews, or other forms of active promotion.

However, open taping is threatened by people acting against the spirit of this policy. The sale of live recordings negates all the afforementioned benefits, and violates artists' property rights. Purchasing live recordings is just as harmful as selling them.

...doesn't fully answer your question, but i think it's implyed in thewww.damienricetrading.tk/ concept, since they even mention it on the front page there[img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]Edited by: supercille

Jebus · 06-04-2004, 02:20 PM

Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I dont see how anyone is losing out on a bootleg being sold for a fiver? The songs are unreleased and any person who is willing to pay a fiver for a live version would almost certainly buy the studio recorded releases of the song when/if they come out. Furthermore, not everyone knows about B&P, or trading etc, a lot of people who buy bootlegs are people who have just seen CD's by their favourite artists down the market and thought "I've never heard of THAT album" they take a look, fancy it, buy it.

Bootlegs have always been sold, always will be sold, I just really dont see why it would hurt anyone, I mean chances are that the people who are selling them, paid for them at a market in the first place, in which case, its their possession, they paid for it, surely its their right to sell it for what they paid for it?

I could be well wrong here, and I'm sorry if I upset anyone, but its just my opinion, I started out buying bootlegs, then went to trading, then I lost contact with all my trading friends (before I got into Damien Rice) and now I'm consindering buying a GOOD bootleg, one of a full gig with good sound quality, now you may offer to do that for free via B&P but if I hadn't joined this forum a little while ago, I'd never have known about it. [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]

A final point... Say a person who buys the bootleg rips MP3s from the CD, they would then be distributed for free to a lot more people, so in a way it can be a good thing.Edited by: Jebus

mestonf · 06-04-2004, 04:33 PM

hey jebus

i started out buying Damo bootlegs from places like e-bay being well unaware that this wasn't meant to happen. Since being a member of eskimo friends i have stopped this. Yes buying them first is a way by getting in to bootlegs but i was quick to realise that i was doing wrong. I agree with selling bootlegs to make a profit partly because i can't like others afford to always fork out for CD's that I want. My problem is i'm very much into buying CD's. CAn't go on to amazon or go into HMV without buying something. SO i'm please that it is light money relief to not have to pay for bootlegs.

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daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	ricefan1, i suggest you take a look at some of the discussions in the trading section of this site, there are plenty of points to explain why this is wrong. </span>You can see that the same guy is charging a little more than £5.00 a cd!!! These shows are available free, and the tapers would not be happy (and rightly so) to hear that the gig that they recorded at great cost and effort, is now being sold for £14.00 a cd by some scumbag punk!!!! The tapers have spent alot of effort to share these shows for free, and they wont continue to do this if people like him get away with selling these shows. Everyone of them should be reported! edit: That user has 25 comments from previous sales. Presumming that they are all the £14 sales thats atleast £350 that he has made!! I've not traded on ebay before, but i presume that not everyone comments on sales, so that must mean there are more. </span>Edited by: daol20 __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

05-30-2004, 11:47 AM	#32
daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	From Ebay: </span> Thank you for your report. We would like to let you know that we have received your email and we will thoroughly investigate the information you have provided. Please keep in mind that the reasons for actions taken or not taken on a specific listing are confidential and between eBay and the seller. We will not be able to keep you informed of any developments for legal reasons, but we assure you that we will thoroughly examine this information. We will take the appropriate action for each individual case, which may involve removing an item or simply issuing a warning. If you believe an item is potentially infringing and it was not removed by eBay, we encourage you to contact the rights owner and inform them of the alleged infringement. Rights owners may request the removal of listings they feel infringe upon their rights through eBay's Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) Program. If you would like to see information provided by the rights owners about items that may infringe their rights including how to contact them, please visit our list of VeRO Program participant About Me pages. http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/vero-aboutme.html</font> </font> __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

05-30-2004, 12:14 PM	#35
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	what a lame policy. yeah, let's keep our eyes on him, then! __________________ Yeah

05-30-2004, 02:47 PM	#36
mestonf Eskimo Regular Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 4,164	hey cheers guys for your support. I hate those muppets on ebay. Ricefan man you will have to see that people are making some sort of small (ahem!) profit on this CD's. By B+P we make no profit but the profit we have is sharing the wonderous music of Damien. nuff said! [img]smileys/smiley36.gif[/img] Cheers daol20 and supercille [img]smileys/smiley32.gif[/img] will keep my eyes pealed for any more and report them! Lets just hope that ebay do something about them __________________ Damien Rice Fan Society

05-30-2004, 05:43 PM	#38
daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	This scumbag is selling alot more than the above few shows. He must be making a fair amount from this.</span> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"><td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">JOSS STONE LIVE IN SESSIONS RADIO INTERVIEWS CD VOL 2 </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£14.00</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">16 hours, 14 mins + </span></td> </tr> </t></table> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#efefef"> <td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">EDDI READER READERS VOICE 1995 LONDON FORUM </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£14.00</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">18 hours, 07 mins + </span></td> </tr> </t></table> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">BECK AND THE FLAMING LIPS TOGETHER USA OCTOBER 2002 </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£14.99</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">31-May-04 23:29:26 BST</span></td> </tr> </t></table> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#efefef"> <td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">NEIL FINN THE CRYSTAL BALLROOM SILVER CD PORTLAND 1999 </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£14.00</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">01-Jun-04 05:52:16 BST</span></td> </tr> </t></table> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">THE BEAUTIFUL SOUTH LIVE AT THE FORUM 1998 SILVER </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£14.00</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">01-Jun-04 23:12:44 BST</span></td> </tr> </t></table> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#efefef"> <td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">LOVE AND MONEY STRANGE KIND OF LOVE CD STEELY DAN </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£9.00</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">01-Jun-04 23:13:05 BST</span></td> </tr> </t></table> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">RADIOHEAD RADIO SESSIONS KCRW AND Y100 JUNE 2003 </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£14.00</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">01-Jun-04 23:13:22 BST</span></td> </tr> </t></table> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#efefef"> <td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">DAMIEN RICE THE STORY SO FAR VOL 4 TRACY CHAPMAN COVER </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£14.00</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">04-Jun-04 13:24:25 BST</span></td> </tr> </t></table> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">DAMIEN RICE THE STORY SO FAR VOL 3 WITH 15 PINK COVER </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£14.00</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">04-Jun-04 13:24:25 BST</span></td> </tr> </t></table> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#efefef"> <td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">THE EELS BLACK SESSIONS CD MAISON DE LA RADIO </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£14.00</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">04-Jun-04 13:24:25 BST</span></td> </tr> </t></table> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#ffffff"> <td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">THE BEAUTIFUL SOUTH LIVE AT THE FORUM 1998 SILVER </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£14.00</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">05-Jun-04 05:52:16 BST</span></td> </tr> </t></table> <t></t><table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="0"> <t><tr bgcolor="#efefef"> <td width="12%" valign="top" align="center"></td> <td ="title" width="49%" valign="center" align="left">RYAN ADAMS ARMBREAKER 2 CD SET LIVERPOOL 2004 </td> <td width="11%" align="right"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="right">£17.00</td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="10%" align="center"> <t></t><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" width="100%"> <t><tr> <td align="center"></td> </tr> </t></table> </td> <td width="18%" align="center">05-Jun-04 05:52:36 BST</span></td> </tr> </t></table> <table width="100%" cellspacing="0" bordercolor="#ffffff" cellpadding="3" border="1"> </table> Edited by: daol20 __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

05-30-2004, 05:51 PM	#39
Angela Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: cloud #9 Posts: 5,029	Wait, that's a different selller, though, no? jcdonaggiois now selling only a few cheap books, no bootlegs. Now that guy,peterpandj2003, I'd have no calms shooting down. The nerve! [img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img]

05-30-2004, 06:02 PM	#40
mestonf Eskimo Regular Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 4,164	tit [img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img] __________________ Damien Rice Fan Society

05-31-2004, 08:26 PM	#41
ricefan1 Eskimo Baby Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 6	daol20 sorry for the slow response. I have looked around the trading forum but I am still at a loss to see where your (and the other's) anger is coming from. As you said These shows are available free, and the tapers would not be happy (and rightly so) to hear that the gig that they recorded at great cost and effort, is now being sold for £14.00 a cd by some scumbag punk!!!! So you accept that this guy has gone to "great cost and effort" but still call him a "scumbag punk" for asking £14.00 for a cd. The tapers have spent alot of effort to share these shows for free, and they wont continue to do this if people like him get away with selling these shows. is this not like saying that Oxfam will stop giving out free food once they see that Tesco are getting away with selling it for money! If somebody is motivated by sharing and charity, then the actions of others dont come into it, does it? Dont get me wrong there are many scumbag punks feeding off music fans. Ogranised crime gangs producing bootleg copies of legit albums are #1, with ticket touts a close second, and private copiers / distributors of official CDs in bronze medal position. Sorry for the long post, keep the faith! __________________ ricefan1

06-01-2004, 11:31 AM	#45
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	wow, that peter pan guy is even selling the pink cover 'get the party started' - that is from a charity album!!![img]smileys/smiley11.gif[/img] __________________ Yeah

06-01-2004, 05:48 PM	#46
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	i sent this email to peter pan: Dear peterpandj2003, please stop selling damien rice bootlegs! especially the one with the pink cover is distatsteful to sell like you do - it's from a charity album and not supposed to be sold for personal economic gain for ppl like you! Thank you, cillemuscille and got this reply: <DIV>Hi</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>The item is really cool and very nicefor collectorsand we had many thanks by the fans of damien rice and we are not making a living out of it but paying for our passion for music .</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>thanks </DIV> sigh! don't know if i even wanna bother to reply... __________________ Yeah

06-01-2004, 05:59 PM	#47
Gatsby Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dublin Posts: 5,809	be abusive in the highest form... i hate bastard scum like that.. make the world a nasty place[img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]

06-01-2004, 06:41 PM	#48
mestonf Eskimo Regular Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 4,164	good work cille!

06-01-2004, 09:55 PM	#49
ricefan1 Eskimo Baby Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 6	IsDR reallyok with people recording his live shows? __________________ ricefan1

06-01-2004, 11:55 PM	#50
cille creepycute Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Copenhagen Posts: 15,333	yeah, i think so. on http://www.damienricetrading.tk/you can read this: The taping and trading of live music dates back at least thirty years. Its origins are atributed to the Grateful Dead and their fans. Several bands followed in having an open taping policy, notably the Allman Brothers Band and Phish. In the early 1990's, the Dave Matthews Band formed, and hired Coran Capshaw to be their manager. Coran was a Deadhead whose exposure to the trading scene gave him the idea to grow DMB's audience through live performance, rather than studio albums. DMB's success was attributed to this policy, and has revolutionized the concept of taping and trading. Following the DMB model, dozens of upcoming artists use live recordings as free promotion. By merely permitting tapers to record and distribute the artist's show, at no cost to the artist, music spreads across continents to people who are most interested in music, without having to worry about radio play, interviews, or other forms of active promotion. However, open taping is threatened by people acting against the spirit of this policy. The sale of live recordings negates all the afforementioned benefits, and violates artists' property rights. Purchasing live recordings is just as harmful as selling them. ...doesn't fully answer your question, but i think it's implyed in thewww.damienricetrading.tk/ concept, since they even mention it on the front page there[img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]Edited by: supercille __________________ Yeah

06-04-2004, 02:20 PM	#51
Jebus Eskimo Baby Join Date: May 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 19	Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I dont see how anyone is losing out on a bootleg being sold for a fiver? The songs are unreleased and any person who is willing to pay a fiver for a live version would almost certainly buy the studio recorded releases of the song when/if they come out. Furthermore, not everyone knows about B&P, or trading etc, a lot of people who buy bootlegs are people who have just seen CD's by their favourite artists down the market and thought "I've never heard of THAT album" they take a look, fancy it, buy it. Bootlegs have always been sold, always will be sold, I just really dont see why it would hurt anyone, I mean chances are that the people who are selling them, paid for them at a market in the first place, in which case, its their possession, they paid for it, surely its their right to sell it for what they paid for it? I could be well wrong here, and I'm sorry if I upset anyone, but its just my opinion, I started out buying bootlegs, then went to trading, then I lost contact with all my trading friends (before I got into Damien Rice) and now I'm consindering buying a GOOD bootleg, one of a full gig with good sound quality, now you may offer to do that for free via B&P but if I hadn't joined this forum a little while ago, I'd never have known about it. [img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img] A final point... Say a person who buys the bootleg rips MP3s from the CD, they would then be distributed for free to a lot more people, so in a way it can be a good thing.Edited by: Jebus __________________ You say that love goes everywhere? In your darkest times its just enough to know its there...

06-04-2004, 04:33 PM	#52
mestonf Eskimo Regular Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 4,164	hey jebus i started out buying Damo bootlegs from places like e-bay being well unaware that this wasn't meant to happen. Since being a member of eskimo friends i have stopped this. Yes buying them first is a way by getting in to bootlegs but i was quick to realise that i was doing wrong. I agree with selling bootlegs to make a profit partly because i can't like others afford to always fork out for CD's that I want. My problem is i'm very much into buying CD's. CAn't go on to amazon or go into HMV without buying something. SO i'm please that it is light money relief to not have to pay for bootlegs.