TAPERS: Starting an FTP - Page 5

spiff · 10-13-2003, 11:12 AM

The ftp server speed seems todepend on how many users are downloading at the same time. When I was downloading the Juniper tracks earlier I was averaging 60k - 100k but I've downloaded shows at faster speeds other days.

Mario · 10-15-2003, 08:45 AM

Yeah, Im not a big tech guy, I just know how to do use the program. There has been major discrepency regarding the speeds people are pulling and I don't know why.

The server is not exactly professional. Im running it off of my desktop computer. I connect with a cable modem, so bandwidth fluctuates based on demand on my ISP, and my own demands. When Im downloading shows, the server slows down.

This, too, is something I hope to address once we get organized with the trading website. Hopefully we can get some more servers running and decrease the demand on mine.

Scon · 10-15-2003, 12:48 PM

Yeh, I'm only getting 3 - 10k when I try, averaging at 5.

daol20 · 10-15-2003, 01:04 PM

I got my fastest speed today of 220k!! Thats the fastest i've seen anywhere yet! And we've a 10Gb Ethernet in College!! At the moment im getting speeds of around 100k.[img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img]

daol20 · 10-15-2003, 01:10 PM

Thats bits per sec (Kb/s) not bytes (KB/s)right? It cant be bytes can it???[img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]

I worked it out with one song, when the download speed was around 111.3 Kb/s (the speed shown on WS_FTP screen) which is 13.9KB/s (the normal notation on file sharing programs), or have i got it wrong?

And thats with a broadband connection.
Edited by: daol20

neil_eats · 10-18-2003, 04:05 AM

i simply cant log onto the ftp server too many users is the complaint i get all the time when is the best quiet time to use it im dying to get my hands on these files, ive used it before but it seems constantly busy now.

AllThatLies · 10-18-2003, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neil_eats

i simply cant log onto the ftp server too many users is the complaint i get all the time when is the best quiet time to use it im dying to get my hands on these files, ive used it before but it seems constantly busy now.

i'm guessing that's in part due to the addition of the 10/4 show..

Mario · 10-18-2003, 12:05 PM

You are more correct than you imagine.

The last couple days, I have quite frequently been closing the server to allow more bandwidth to uploads.

In that time, I've acquired:

2003-10-04 Los Angeles
2003-02-19 Union Chapel
2002-09-02 The Lobby

About 20 videos

At this moment Tim is uploading 2002-03-01

And as soon as I get a single md5 file, I can post 2002-12-17 Olympia

As for a slow time, there doesn't seem to be one, because both Irish and US fans are downloading, and the 8 hour time difference means when Ireland is in bed, US is in prime time at night, when US is in bed, Ireland is waking up and going to work.

I am, however, working on some more servers to alleviate the burden. If anyone is interested, let me know. I will send you the program, and help you set it up. Its very simple and runs off your home pc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllThatLies

Quote:

Originally Posted by neil_eats

i simply cant log onto the ftp server too many users is the complaint i get all the time when is the best quiet time to use it im dying to get my hands on these files, ive used it before but it seems constantly busy now.

i'm guessing that's in part due to the addition of the 10/4 show..

mierk · 10-18-2003, 02:20 PM

Is there anyone who is comfortable with seeding shows in Bit Torrant? If we could get some of these shows up on sharingthegroove.org, then we could alleviate alot of the stress on mario's site. Thanks a ton for hosting these, it's much appreciated.

DMB420 · 10-19-2003, 02:22 AM

PA in 'da house!!!!!!

AllThatLies · 10-19-2003, 03:50 AM

i attempted to run an ftp before..problem is university firewalls make it so only about 5% of the population can connect to it..

AllThatLies · 10-19-2003, 03:51 AM

and oh yea, i have a bit torrent going for the 10/4 show at sharing the groove.org. over 70 people have already finished downloading it that way.

daol20 · 10-19-2003, 11:23 AM

Can you explain what "bit torent" is?

spiff · 10-19-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daol20

Can you explain what "bit torent" is?

It's a way of sharing files online, the program is called Bit Torrent. You can download and read all about it here

Mario · 10-19-2003, 02:12 PM

Yeah, there have been Bit Torrents run. Im completly unfamiliar with seeding them, but I d/l them all the time.

I intend to incorporate them into the trading website as well.

neil_eats · 10-20-2003, 06:41 AM

ive been trying for days to get onto the ftp server i got connected once but then i tried downloading something and it said that there were too many users again.

dara · 10-20-2003, 11:22 PM

This ftp is getting soooo good, Mario id be happy to help ya out with the server thingy just give me some info on it and ill see what I can do

neil_eats · 10-21-2003, 04:41 AM

wouldnt know how good its getting havent got on it for ages[img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]

framesaver · 10-21-2003, 05:23 AM

Sounds like bad luck and/or timing - get yourself a decent ftp software like smartftp or aceftp (both free) and set them to keep trying to hook up (I think the accepted retry time is 120 seconds). In theory, it should automatically hook itself up eventually when someone else logs off.

And as for your KCRW issue, try Xi Net Transport - it's great. If you still have issues, mail me and I might be able to set up a temporary FTP site from my laptop for you.

neil_eats · 10-21-2003, 06:06 AM

using bit torrents would be a better way of sharing the larger shows

DarrenT · 10-22-2003, 05:09 AM

I'm not so sure that bit torrents are the best for long term sharing - people would have to keep the windows open long after they had finished downloading. In practice torrents often dry up after a week or two.

Something like edonkey would be better as sources can easilly be left shared and the community would all be helping to spread the sources, so reducing the load on Mario and the other ftp hosts.

I'd be happy to host files this way (I have edonkey on 24/7, with a reasonable bb connection 1Mb/400Kb), and we could post links to the files on the board to reduce fakes/reposting/searching issues.

Don't want to piss anyone off with this idea, but what does everyone think? Would this be ok under the board T&C's?

framesaver · 10-22-2003, 10:54 AM

The other option is for a few folks to set up a direct connect hub. Now I won't claim to know much about this, as I have to tunnel to be able to use it, but I know the David Gray SHN community has seen a big shift to using this in the last year. If anyone wants to know more, looksie here:

http://www.davidgray.com/dgbb/ultima...=2&t=002716&p=

Just a notion.

mierk · 10-22-2003, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenT

I'm not so sure that bit torrents are the best for long term sharing - people would have to keep the windows open long after they had finished downloading. In practice torrents often dry up after a week or two.

Something like edonkey would be better as sources can easilly be left shared and the community would all be helping to spread the sources, so reducing the load on Mario and the other ftp hosts.

I'd be happy to host files this way (I have edonkey on 24/7, with a reasonable bb connection 1Mb/400Kb), and we could post links to the files on the board to reduce fakes/reposting/searching issues.

Don't want to piss anyone off with this idea, but what does everyone think? Would this be ok under the board T&C's?

You're definitely right about torrents drying up after a couple weeks, but they are good for getting the show out to a lot of different people in the short term. I've never used edonkey so I don't know how widespread the program is or if I'm just oblivious. But there's nothing wrong with using that, or bit torrent, or Pony Express for all I care, the more ways we have of spreading the music around the more people will come across it and the more options people will have in case one thing or another doesn't work for them.

the professor · 10-29-2003, 06:32 PM

srry if i sound like a dumb ass...but, how doyou exactly..accsessthe FTP surver..

Smithy · 11-03-2003, 06:08 AM

I nearly fell off my chair yesterday, having been trying to log onto the server for ages now, and.... I finally got connected.... Wahey....

I feel a big thanks to Mario is in order..... so.....

Thanks Mario!!!!!!!!!!!</font>

Angela · 11-03-2003, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the professor

srry if i sound like a dumb ass...but, how do*you exactly..accsess*the FTP surver..

You might want to check the beginning of this tread.

daol20 · 11-04-2003, 06:54 AM

Has anyone else had noticed, when they're connected tothe ftp site, that it freezes up? Maybe its the ftp software im using...

The last two or three times i've been on, it's freezed and i've had to close it down and restart the program. And once or twice someone else has sneeked in ahead of me, and i cant connect again cos its full.

Im not complaining just wondering if its a common problem, or something up with my system.

Smithy · 11-04-2003, 07:02 AM

When I've been on there the worst that's happened is it's really dipped in speed, at times it gets up to as much as 16k then will drop to < 2k which adds tens of hours onto the download. It could be worth having a quick chat with your ISP's support dept as the problem could well originate en route from Marios to yours which they may be able to diagnose and cure for you

daol20 · 11-04-2003, 07:39 AM

The reason your getting around 16k is that Mario has limited each user to around 15k, to allow the max number of users on, with a respectable download speed. Any speedsless than that could be internet traffic or your resources (like upload bandwidth) being used elsewhere.

Not sure it the problem is with myISP.....i might be wrong though, it was working fine at one stage.i had presumed that it was something do do with the ftp site itself (like uploads taking place etc). If it keeps happening i'll definitely checkit out. Cheers.Edited by: daol20

Uno- X · 11-05-2003, 05:38 AM

I still haven't received my copy*sniff*

10-13-2003, 11:12 AM	#121
spiff Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 246	The ftp server speed seems todepend on how many users are downloading at the same time. When I was downloading the Juniper tracks earlier I was averaging 60k - 100k but I've downloaded shows at faster speeds other days. __________________ I only drank so that the Statue of Liberty would take her clothes off

10-15-2003, 01:04 PM	#124
daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	I got my fastest speed today of 220k!! Thats the fastest i've seen anywhere yet! And we've a 10Gb Ethernet in College!! At the moment im getting speeds of around 100k.[img]smileys/smiley1.gif[/img] __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

10-15-2003, 01:10 PM	#125
daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	Thats bits per sec (Kb/s) not bytes (KB/s)right? It cant be bytes can it???[img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img] I worked it out with one song, when the download speed was around 111.3 Kb/s (the speed shown on WS_FTP screen) which is 13.9KB/s (the normal notation on file sharing programs), or have i got it wrong? And thats with a broadband connection. Edited by: daol20 __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

10-18-2003, 02:20 PM	#129
mierk Eskimo Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: United States Posts: 234	Is there anyone who is comfortable with seeding shows in Bit Torrant? If we could get some of these shows up on sharingthegroove.org, then we could alleviate alot of the stress on mario's site. Thanks a ton for hosting these, it's much appreciated. __________________ I've this creeping suspicion that things here are not as they seem...

10-19-2003, 02:22 AM	#130
DMB420 Eskimo Baby Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: United States Posts: 1	PA in 'da house!!!!!! __________________ "We must be the change in the world that we want." ~Gandhi My Trading Link

10-15-2003, 08:45 AM	#122
Mario Eskimo Regular Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United States Posts: 191	Yeah, Im not a big tech guy, I just know how to do use the program. There has been major discrepency regarding the speeds people are pulling and I don't know why. The server is not exactly professional. Im running it off of my desktop computer. I connect with a cable modem, so bandwidth fluctuates based on demand on my ISP, and my own demands. When Im downloading shows, the server slows down. This, too, is something I hope to address once we get organized with the trading website. Hopefully we can get some more servers running and decrease the demand on mine.

10-15-2003, 12:48 PM	#123
Scon Eskimo Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 398	Yeh, I'm only getting 3 - 10k when I try, averaging at 5.

10-18-2003, 04:05 AM	#126
neil_eats Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 500	i simply cant log onto the ftp server too many users is the complaint i get all the time when is the best quiet time to use it im dying to get my hands on these files, ive used it before but it seems constantly busy now.

10-19-2003, 03:50 AM	#131
AllThatLies Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United States Posts: 330	i attempted to run an ftp before..problem is university firewalls make it so only about 5% of the population can connect to it..

10-19-2003, 03:51 AM	#132
AllThatLies Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: United States Posts: 330	and oh yea, i have a bit torrent going for the 10/4 show at sharing the groove.org. over 70 people have already finished downloading it that way.

10-19-2003, 11:23 AM	#133
daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	Can you explain what "bit torent" is? __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

10-19-2003, 02:12 PM	#135
Mario Eskimo Regular Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United States Posts: 191	Yeah, there have been Bit Torrents run. Im completly unfamiliar with seeding them, but I d/l them all the time. I intend to incorporate them into the trading website as well.

10-20-2003, 06:41 AM	#136
neil_eats Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 500	ive been trying for days to get onto the ftp server i got connected once but then i tried downloading something and it said that there were too many users again.

10-20-2003, 11:22 PM	#137
dara Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: United States Posts: 271	This ftp is getting soooo good, Mario id be happy to help ya out with the server thingy just give me some info on it and ill see what I can do

10-21-2003, 04:41 AM	#138
neil_eats Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 500	wouldnt know how good its getting havent got on it for ages[img]smileys/smiley19.gif[/img]

10-21-2003, 05:23 AM	#139
framesaver Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Virgin Islands Posts: 185	Sounds like bad luck and/or timing - get yourself a decent ftp software like smartftp or aceftp (both free) and set them to keep trying to hook up (I think the accepted retry time is 120 seconds). In theory, it should automatically hook itself up eventually when someone else logs off. And as for your KCRW issue, try Xi Net Transport - it's great. If you still have issues, mail me and I might be able to set up a temporary FTP site from my laptop for you. __________________ All the cheer raining down on the day comes to nothing and leaves by the broom <font size="1"> Lucky by Hem</font>

10-21-2003, 06:06 AM	#140
neil_eats Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 500	using bit torrents would be a better way of sharing the larger shows

10-22-2003, 05:09 AM	#141
DarrenT Eskimo Baby Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4	I'm not so sure that bit torrents are the best for long term sharing - people would have to keep the windows open long after they had finished downloading. In practice torrents often dry up after a week or two. Something like edonkey would be better as sources can easilly be left shared and the community would all be helping to spread the sources, so reducing the load on Mario and the other ftp hosts. I'd be happy to host files this way (I have edonkey on 24/7, with a reasonable bb connection 1Mb/400Kb), and we could post links to the files on the board to reduce fakes/reposting/searching issues. Don't want to piss anyone off with this idea, but what does everyone think? Would this be ok under the board T&C's?

10-22-2003, 10:54 AM	#142
framesaver Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Virgin Islands Posts: 185	The other option is for a few folks to set up a direct connect hub. Now I won't claim to know much about this, as I have to tunnel to be able to use it, but I know the David Gray SHN community has seen a big shift to using this in the last year. If anyone wants to know more, looksie here: http://www.davidgray.com/dgbb/ultima...=2&t=002716&p= Just a notion. __________________ All the cheer raining down on the day comes to nothing and leaves by the broom <font size="1"> Lucky by Hem</font>

10-29-2003, 06:32 PM	#144
the professor Eskimo Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: United States Posts: 342	srry if i sound like a dumb ass...but, how doyou exactly..accsessthe FTP surver..

11-03-2003, 06:08 AM	#145
Smithy Eskimo Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 568	I nearly fell off my chair yesterday, having been trying to log onto the server for ages now, and.... I finally got connected.... Wahey.... I feel a big thanks to Mario is in order..... so..... Thanks Mario!!!!!!!!!!!</font> __________________ Every generation fails the next in line, I'm one step ahead, I'm busy failing mine - Tom McRae

11-04-2003, 06:54 AM	#147
daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	Has anyone else had noticed, when they're connected tothe ftp site, that it freezes up? Maybe its the ftp software im using... The last two or three times i've been on, it's freezed and i've had to close it down and restart the program. And once or twice someone else has sneeked in ahead of me, and i cant connect again cos its full. Im not complaining just wondering if its a common problem, or something up with my system. __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

11-04-2003, 07:02 AM	#148
Smithy Eskimo Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 568	When I've been on there the worst that's happened is it's really dipped in speed, at times it gets up to as much as 16k then will drop to < 2k which adds tens of hours onto the download. It could be worth having a quick chat with your ISP's support dept as the problem could well originate en route from Marios to yours which they may be able to diagnose and cure for you __________________ Every generation fails the next in line, I'm one step ahead, I'm busy failing mine - Tom McRae

11-04-2003, 07:39 AM	#149
daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	The reason your getting around 16k is that Mario has limited each user to around 15k, to allow the max number of users on, with a respectable download speed. Any speedsless than that could be internet traffic or your resources (like upload bandwidth) being used elsewhere. Not sure it the problem is with myISP.....i might be wrong though, it was working fine at one stage.i had presumed that it was something do do with the ftp site itself (like uploads taking place etc). If it keeps happening i'll definitely checkit out. Cheers.Edited by: daol20 __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

11-05-2003, 05:38 AM	#150
Uno- X Eskimo CSI Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,495	I still haven't received my copysniff __________________ Do you realize that you have the most beautiful face? Do you realize we're floating in space?