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07-17-2006, 03:26 PM
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I DIDNT POST THE PICTURES.
I SIMPLY WANTED TO STATE THAT THE WHOLE OF WHAT HE SAID SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN ERASED. TAKE THE STUPID PICS DOWN IF NEEDS BE BUT......... tj, i didnt 'disrespect' you. i pulled you up on something. duh! Carvin, i dont automatically take the other side. come off it. im not defending that. all i bloody well did was want to point out that it is terrible for posting under such strict surroundings. and then i get accused of being someone else, wanting to take the other point of view, just because. being 'disrespectful'. you cant even give a heartfuelt opinion here without someone coming along and dancing on it. its like some of you aim to be mean to anyone you dont like. |
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07-17-2006, 03:31 PM
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hi ami,
i don't think there was any text in the message that i removed. if it had been a post with an argument in it, i would of course have just removed the photos. and really, i don't think it's very strict to remove photos like that. it would happen in most moderated forums i believe. |
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07-17-2006, 03:40 PM
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eskimo hobo
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07-17-2006, 03:59 PM
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Phono Vox
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Ireland
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Ami - You took a disrespectful attitude. I didn't accuse you of being someone else. I've made that clear twice at this stage.... 'you cant even give a heartfuelt opinion here without someone coming along and dancing on it.' You know as well as I do that that's not true.
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07-17-2006, 04:11 PM
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Location: Copenhagen
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If this is your goodbye, then goodbye alumni - take good care out there!
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A few years ago, danish television used to warn before very violent and bloody scenes were shown on the news, but not anymore - now they show EVERYTHING without telling - I've especially noticed a tendency to zoom into blood stains and indefinable bits of human tissue after explotions and such, with no warning before hand. It makes me feel emotionally raped, and I have a fragile mind - seeing something really horrible can easily make me weep for hours; I like to have the chance to chose to look, or look away. I KNOW it's a cruel, evil, tough world, I don't always need to see the proof of it.
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07-17-2006, 04:14 PM
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Phono Vox
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That was the most sensible comment of this topic mate!
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07-17-2006, 04:28 PM
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Teddy Daniels
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Yeah, cheers for that, Cecilie.
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07-17-2006, 06:35 PM
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These were the similar pictures I feel posted. I feel they are important. So I leave you with this, and if you so wish to pick up conversation and debate about the most serious of issues then please do. However, all your statement I find hilarious, because you will 100% look at these photos anyway yes? None of you will not ha! You wallys....
 .Again, honestly I respect, seriously. But you need to wake up and face reality and what war is yes? In this case, actions speak higher then words.World needs to see what is happening than flout on clouds. Here, they are in below but are made to the most censorship I can manage ok? This is as wrapped up as I can! >http://www.aztlan.net/palgirl.jpg< >http://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/palestine_dead_son.jpg< >http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/07/06/image4bacd14b-a8d2-42d3-952d-733de392a5c8.jpg< Now honestly, seriously fairwell and no hard feelings. Last edited by alumni; 07-17-2006 at 06:43 PM. |
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07-17-2006, 08:23 PM
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Eskimo Shutterbug
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: the west coast
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You know, if you want to go cos something of yours was deleted..just go. No need to post a goodbye message. I think I've seen one from you before...
I don't like responding to these threads cos it just keeps them alive but they seem to be popping up a lot lately and I'm annoyed by them now. If you don't like it in here and if you don't like Emmett's rules then don't post, that simple. I like that this site is different from others and doesn't allow inappropriate content to be displayed. I remember when porn was being posted on the DR forum..and the adminstrators took it down..nobody made a stink from what I can remember. Why different here? It's just inappropriate for a music site. I like reading a good debate between members, this is not about a debate though. This is about being unfair and disrespectful to the members of this forum by posting sensitive material for the sake of what? We don't know cos all you posted were the photos with no content, so I really don't see what your message was supposed to be. In any case, I don't want to be bombarded with war crime photos...if they are posted in here then I'd like to be warned of such so that I don't go into that thread. I am a grown woman and I don't live in a bubble so when I'm prepared to view something like that then I'll seek it out for myself, that's my choice. I'm interested in what people in here post, so without warning I would have looked at that thread when new. So thanks Emmett, for taking them down. **Now that I look at this again, this seems more like a topic started to fuel an unending ridiculous feud between members of two different damo forums--get off of it already, geez!
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07-17-2006, 09:22 PM
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Phono Vox
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Ireland
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Goodbye Alumni.
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07-18-2006, 01:10 AM
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Location: Eire
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you're getting off point going on about disrespecting this that and the other, and i dont give a rats about how your ego could have been blemished or bruised. oh my how selfish of me. ya know, its so upsetting that people cant just realise that bombs, death etc are all facts of life you must live with. obviously you can go around with denial on your shoulders and ignore it. or you can choose not to associate yourself with that certain topic. but talking about what colour socks you have on etc, par example, and then having a thread that gets into a bit of debate etc about war *only slightly though, we've about a pinky toe in and its just up to the nail* shouldnt have to be boiled down to bickering about 'ugh you disrespected me by saying blah blah' or 'we need to wrap our kids up in cotton wool, God forbid they actually grow up with a bit of sense and objectivity about the world'. a child finding this site, utilising this site is more than likely going to be observed by a parent. and most kids have no interest in forum posting. not all i know, but most. if you've enough brains to post on a site, regularly use it etc, you're more than likely mature enough to know you dont want to see an image or war, or if you do, that you've chosen too. im all for observing what children watch on tv/ internet etc in order to protect them, now....can i say BITCH!?!? it was on a popular tv programme tonight 2 hours before the watershed. now, they didnt think that kids hearing that would upset the child for life. on the news all day they showed bomb blasts/ families fleeing etc. on nickelodeon, the've got one of those Trocaire type ads on almost at every ad break. now should that be censored?? seeing lil kids, coovered in flies, sitting down crying. sure thats worse than seeing a bit of blood on a photo or on the news. and films today are more accesible to younger kids with the new certs, they're far more violent nowadays. sure you know the Harry Potter films, esp the one with Aragog in it, scared the crap out of me!! Hendrik, i dont know what papers etc you read but a lot of violent images and iamges of death appear in them. no matter what class of paper it is. and even the Gardai here cant do much to prevent these pictures being printed. all they can do is ask if they might not print it. its up to the sub eds and finally the Ed if they want to run the pictures or not. if anything, people are far more desensitised these days then ever. i think a child seeing half naked women on tv shows before/around 9pm is worse than a picture of a blown up bus. |
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07-18-2006, 02:49 AM
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07-18-2006, 02:56 AM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: noblesville indiana, aka people with too much money producing ignorant children
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you don't need pictures to understand what happens in war. if you don't know what happens in war you are just an idiot. some however are unable to handle the fact/truth of what happens in a war, so they choose to ignore the horrific details. you don't need to prove it. everyone knows what is happening. when learning about what Hitler had done i was fully aware of what he was doing to the Jews, but then one day in my history class we watched real footage of Jews being shot, burned, and also a picture of Hitler almost making himself sick while visitng a concentration camp. now THAT was real. i've seen plenty of horrible pictures of dead people, but nothing is going to be as powerful as seeing a video or it in person. i've seen REAL dead people in car accidents, i've seen a guy who's head exploded as he wrecked a motorcycle infront of my neighborhood, and i've see my own dads leg bone sticking out of his leg as he was hit by a car riding a motorcycle. now THAT will really open up your eyes, but when you see something that is just a photo it is going to leave that large of an impact, because our brain can see that nothing is moving and can't see/feel the emotion of the person in the portriat, which leaves us with a much lesser understanding...
i haven't looked at your photos and i'm not going to. i know what happens and while i would find it distrubing to look. it isn't going to really impact me to just look at a photo, because in a photo of a dead person there is no emotion. in a video there is emotion from the point of the person living till the moment they die. pictures are just going to leave most grossed out and nothing more... so it's not worth the time. you are very ignorant to think that posting these pictures are simply going to open eyes. when taking people to a subject that is very emotional you can't just throw it at them unsuspectingly. you have to prepare them, because if you don't many will be sickened and make sure to stay away from this topic. i'd say that was one of the most ignorant things i've ever seen on a message board. whoever claims it is sad and/or ignoarnt that people can't accept the fact that violant acts occur in war is even MORE ignorant to think that people should just be able to look at a human life and be ok with it and not be upset or complain about it. think about this... you see a picture or a video of a dead soldeir and all you see is someone who was horribly killed. when I look at those same things let me tell you what i see. i see a soldier who had friends, family, maybe a wife, maybe kids, many loved ones, and often times many people who depend on him such as family. it's no longer JUST A DEAD BODY that people should be able to look at with out lashing back at you to do things such as remove you text. its not just a human, but in pictures of a dead person you are just looking at a body with horrible meaning about how bad a war is. you are looking at a picture of someone who not only no longer has his lives but will now effect the lives of everyone he cared about and who cared about him/her for the rest of their lives. point is. its not just a body, but is a life lost that will leave families ruined. that is something that you should tell people. it's MUCH MUCH MUCH more effective explaining what happens when someone dies then just showing a picture. if you think a picture is just enough for people or that it should be thrown around freely then YOU TOO are not ready for the discussion of the topic of war. ALUMNI, you've said your good byes and been slightly hypocritical in saying that there are no hard feelings, but you are still leaving. you can't take being sensored, but i have a feeling you can't debate war either. please no more good byes. no one cares.
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07-18-2006, 02:11 PM
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Phono Vox
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Ireland
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I've looked at both your pictures. Yes I found them disgusting. Yes I found them horrific. Yes I found them upsetting. I have no heart of stone. But did it wake me up to the horror of warfare and did it give me a reality check? No. I already know that these things happen. I've lived in Northern Ireland for most of my life. I know what war can do to a country. I know the bitterness it leaves in peoples hearts. I know the hurt it causes and I know how it can tear humans apart. People don't need to look at these upsetting images to understand what war is all about. People who chose not to look at these pictures aren't floating on a cloud as you put it. These pictures far from woke me up to the realities of war and what bad there is in the world. These pictures didn't make me feel any different about war in any way what so ever. U2 put a picture of an innocent young boy on the front of their album 'War'. You don't need to have pictures of tanks, dead bodies and crashing buildings to portray how you feel about the terrible things that happen in this world. You're pictures moved me... but not in any positive way... nor did they wake me up to anything but the fact that pictures like these are for those who need to be shown a picture to explain something to them. There's not many people 'round here who need to be shown a picture for something to become clear to them. If I was a child... I definitely wouldn't be sleeping tonight. Would it make me fight agaisnt war when I'm older? Probably not... it would make me feel more fearful of it. Goodbye Alumni. And yet the only thing you say to me after this is about the disrespectful conversation. If you feel so strongly about your opinions surely you would have brought me up on this rather than something from many posts back. I don't think you understand the world... so don't try to persuade us that looking at pictures is going to make us see things more clearly. This is the very last post I'll make in reply to you in this topic. Thanks.
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07-18-2006, 04:35 PM
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Teddy Daniels
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07-18-2006, 05:23 PM
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I find nudity natural, lascerated gore can be disturbing, but i can handle it thankyou verry much. This site doesn't like it, i seem to be able to handle that too. IF you don't mind me saying, i think people are being a bit damned harsh at AMI! *cough* tj *cough* i don't think it's very helpful to tell her to stay in the DR boards, and she's got every right to disagree with everyperson on this board if she wants to. I don't believe you'd talk to her like that if it was someone who had been a member of this board for a long time and if you didn't know she was a member of our "so called" rival, that's just petty and ignorant. It's a free world, and that's why it's good that different forums exist. I really don't wanna be in the centre of a popularity contest (or an unpopularity contest). It's just tedious. If you disagree with moral reasons for sensoring then that's your decision. But it seems to me that this thread has ended up as another battle ground for personal attacks. and lengthening and lengthening posts about de-constructing eachothers analogies and attacks. That's my opinion. and all this about "respect this respect that" is annoying. sorry if i'm just picking up on ur vibes at the moment tj. but i think it was a bit of a satirical Jab at alumi, in ur early post concerning Imagery to be a wepon of the weak. It's a verry useful tool to get accross what you think. Imagery is shocking because it's the most trusted information to our brains, by reflex we asume it to be real. Even if you WERE right, that's not even the issue. Should Emmett be allowed to censor? yes it's his site. Should Emmett censor? surely, that's his decision, seeing that nearly everyone has their own opinion, surely he should make a decision on his opinion. Should somebody be able to leave if they want to? yes, whatever their reason. Can violent imagery have negative effects on viewers? sometimes, nobody knows, keep arguing it if u want. Do people have a right to express their opinions? yes, but it has an effect which is not allways positive, they have a right to do so, but not a responsibility. Being tactless will make people resistant and oftern defensive. If you just want to make people know what you think, then tell them. but if you want them to try and understand, you need first to try and understand them. Did you know, eskimo friends is one of the only sites i can access through the school system. because it doesn't have any material which is usually filtered by the county's broadband system. This makes me a happy penguin .Can't we get back to more important issues? like my patchwork shirt .http://www.eskimofriends.com/forum/s...d.php?p=265470
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07-18-2006, 05:45 PM
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Teddy Daniels
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07-19-2006, 03:23 AM
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Agreed. Nuff said
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07-19-2006, 08:11 AM
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07-19-2006, 08:49 AM
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