Vicar Street, Monday Feb 2nd

The Kitten · 02-02-2004, 06:32 PM

A gig that was taped so I think we can expect to see it either on DVD or CD in the near future. Was pretty commercial and not a patch on the December 15, 2003 gig - did all the usual songs with a couple of newish ones including Face. Didn't do Woman Like a Man or Prague, and no sign of The Blowers Daughter Part 2, Sand or Insane. Did Never by Paul Noonan of Bell X1 which was a welcome suprise.

First support act were pretty good but the Swedish Dance Muppets were absolute sh*te! Damien came on around 9.20 and finished up around 11.15 - Vivienne did Seven Nation Army and the usual dickheads clapped during it (maybe at a White Stripes gig but not when you're trying to appreciate a chellist as shy as Vivienne). The 'Witness' fans were out in force and we even got a rendition of One More Song from a pack of w*nkers sitting in the middle of the floor - are we listening to a taping of 'Set List' a bit too much.

Couple of w*anker hecklers in the crowd as well - and fair play to the bird who told them to shut up!

You didn't miss much guys, certainly not if you've been to a DR gig in the last 6 months.

cartman · 02-02-2004, 06:39 PM

that was a delight,

thanks for not makin me feel sh*tty for not going

Gatsby · 02-02-2004, 07:46 PM

well said kitten... i hate when u get arseholes at gigs... but its not great to read that when ur goin tomorrow night[img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img]

my mate rang me during "tongue" which sounded amazing... was there many unreleased songs or just the usual stick to the album stuff?

oh and i cant believe they sold tickets at the door... i was about to go but im broke[img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img]

cnpubwear · 02-02-2004, 08:00 PM

i hate clapping during songs too but i have a lot of boots and vivienne encourages it.

Burningman · 02-02-2004, 10:32 PM

rough setlist anyone ?

us americans would like to know just what we are missing out on and how good your guys have it over there.

Gatsby · 02-02-2004, 10:40 PM

i dont think we have it any better at all really... pretty much the same setlist if im not mistaken...

willa · 02-03-2004, 01:56 AM

Kitten, I just read this email and felt compelled to write back and tell you what a muppet you are.

"- Vivienne did Seven Nation Army and the usual dickheads clapped during it" - That song is a fantastic stomping song, in my opinion it is better than the original. A song like that gives you a natural reaction to stamp your feet / clap your hands. Thats what music does to you.

I think you have got yourself confused with a small intimate gig. Let me remind you that is was a sell out large venue with a full live band.

"The 'Witness' fans were out in force and we even got a rendition of One More Song from a pack of w*nkers sitting in the middle of the floor - are we listening to a taping of 'Set List' a bit too much." - what are you talking about?! What about the f**king cardigans like you who just keep quiet and tell everybody else to shutup. Audienceand Band banter are some of the little things that make a gig more memorable.

Dont get me wrong - I ama huge fan, in fact I even travelled to the uk last year to see some shows as I think they are the best live act I have ever experienced. On top of that I dont partake in any of the disgracful "clapping" nor was I one of the joyful fans having a laugh asking for one more song - shame on them.

You have to take your cardigan politics somewhere else because right now damien rice and co are taking their gigs to a more lively, loud and rockier level. Loosen up a bit and realise that the thing you appear to dislike is the same thing you should try and familiarise yourself with :

FUN

The Kitten · 02-03-2004, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willa

Kitten, I just read this email and felt compelled to write back and tell you what a muppet you are.

"- Vivienne did Seven Nation Army and the usual dickheads clapped during it" - That song is a fantastic stomping song, in my opinion it is better than the original. A song like that gives you a natural reaction to stamp your feet / clap your hands. Thats what music does to you.

I think you have got yourself confused with a small intimate gig. Let me remind you that is was a sell out large venue with a full live band.

"The 'Witness' fans were out in force and we even got a rendition of One More Song from a pack of w*nkers sitting in the middle of the floor - are we listening to a taping of 'Set List' a bit too much." - what are you talking about?! What about the f**king cardigans like you who just keep quiet and tell everybody else to shutup. Audienceand Band banter are some of the little things that make a gig more memorable.

Dont get me wrong - I ama huge fan, in fact I even travelled to the uk last year to see some shows as I think they are the best live act I have ever experienced. On top of that I dont partake in any of the disgracful "clapping" nor was I one of the joyful fans having a laugh asking for one more song - shame on them.

You have to take your cardigan politics somewhere else because right now damien rice and co are taking their gigs to a more lively, loud and rockier level. Loosen up a bit and realise that the thing you appear to dislike is the same thing you should try and familiarise yourself with :

FUN

Well, a reply like yours was to be expected I guess. Goodbye

The Kitten · 02-03-2004, 02:44 AM

I'm just surprised I got 5 other posts before a pr*ck like you got in. The Point Depot is a 'sell-out large venue', not Vicar Street.

I hope you come back with the usual 'we're all entitled to our own opinion line'.

Louise · 02-03-2004, 02:55 AM

Kitten I dont think its fair to be so judgemental. I dont want to attack you and I know how nice it is to feel like you're part of a small group of prople who appreciate a band, but you need to accept that Damien is growing in popularity and therefore there is going to be a diverse crowd at his gigs. I feel sorry that you let it bother you so much because I thought it was a bit of a laugh, not my style but a laugh.
I think you need to accept these facts now or never enjoy another damien gig again because this is the way things are now.

Louise

P.S. I clapped during Seven Nation Army, its not a quiet swaying song, and viv was smiling and laughing. Don't be so judgemental; maybe you'll enjoy life a little more.

Louise · 02-03-2004, 02:57 AM

PS Thank you to Ian who called me to let me know that they were selling tickets at the door. A true eskimo legend! [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]

The Kitten · 02-03-2004, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louise

P.S. I clapped during Seven Nation Army, its not a quiet swaying song, and viv was smiling and laughing. Don't be so judgemental; maybe you'll enjoy life a little more.

Judgemental? I enjoy life just fine, how did you figure out that I didn't?

spudy · 02-03-2004, 04:39 AM

anyone who was at the dec gig will remember that vyvienne, before she played seven nation army, said that the next song had excellent clapping opportunities in it - i.e she wanted us to clap...

willa · 02-03-2004, 04:39 AM

Kitten, you are one bitter lemon. You need to get over yourself and realise exactly what we are talking about here.

Yes, I agree that there was a time when Damien played small acoustic gigs where everybody say and was quiet. Look at the gig last night, it was heavily covered in a more dark, rockier feel. Times change, bands become more and less popular and you are obviously coming to terms that other people now like a musician/band that was once just for avid and select music fans. Last night was not about sitting around quietly and appreciating quiet and beautiful music, dont criticise people for having fun and expressing themselves. How dare you.

When you are finished calling the people who wanted to hear more of damo "w**kers" and the people who enjoyed seven nation army "d**kheads" and me a "p*ick", perhaps you might call damo something for playing some strange long winding dark instrumentals that weren’t on "O".....just a thought kiddo...

judas · 02-03-2004, 04:48 AM

see this is plain wrong...Kitten why do feel you have some exclusive right to claim an experience that has been sold to the public as your own. why do you feel obliged to police the experience and offer terms for how an audience must conduct themselves..it is this type of prudishness that is destroying gigs...rendering them staid and allowing an awkward atmosphere prevail...

witness fans?....i thought witness showcased great music acts, i though witness fans were music appreciators. clapping a cellist?? you obviously have never been to the national concert hall or attended an orchestral concert. why do you expect silent reverence at a place like vicar street??

you should open you mind some kitten..the heckling was quite subdued....and as willa says audience banter is an integral part of a show, especially acoustic driven sets from people who have come from a busking background.

you are clearly very opinionated but take Louises advice, loosen up and enjoy...it's better than being pissed off with small distractions and allowing them become the only thing you can highlight the next morning..

Patricia · 02-03-2004, 04:57 AM

Hey guys you should ALL open your mind!!

Kitten has the right to feel this way about the concert, at least as much as you all have the right to feel differently.

Isn't the board supposed to be a place where we share our experiences?

Many ppl = many different experiences, as simple as that.

I am not saying I agree with Kitten... But at least I don't think calling her a bitter lemon or whatever is the right thg to do.

daol20 · 02-03-2004, 05:06 AM

Well said.

This is blown way out of proportion!!</font>

Scon · 02-03-2004, 05:10 AM

Patricia [img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img]

framesaver · 02-03-2004, 05:13 AM

Ah sure there's hardly a gig ye'd go to anymore without someone having a crack at the audience the next day. "They were too quiet; they were too loud; this porridge is just right...."

But yeah I'd have to agree with the Kitten on the performance. Pretty flat and uninspiring. Pleasing to more recent fans though, I guess.

daol20 · 02-03-2004, 05:24 AM

I know what you mean....

dont know what to expect tonight now![img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img]

(damn my spelling)</font>[img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img] Edited by: daol20

Patricia · 02-03-2004, 05:25 AM

Maybe he was just a bit tired yesterday? We all have ups and downs haven't we? I'm sure he'll rock tonite![img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img]

daol20 · 02-03-2004, 05:29 AM

I hope so.....IM trying to convert a friend to his music tonight.</font>

willa · 02-03-2004, 05:29 AM

I think everybody is missing the point here. Yes, it was not one of his best gigs. Lets have a discussion/debate about that.

But there is a difference between that and insulting the support act ("muppets" - its called performance art kitten, if you dont like it fair enough, no need to be rude).

This message board is meant to be about like minded people who enjoy the same things - not a place for "elitist" fans to shoot down other fans with profanity, have respect.

willa · 02-03-2004, 05:31 AM

It did look like he was pissed off last night and it showed. His silence can change the atmosphere of the show more than you think. I am heading tonight aswell so I hope he cheers up.

framesaver · 02-03-2004, 05:33 AM

It's not that he's tired, you just get the feeling of same old, same old. And continuing to plunder the Juniper back catalogue is not the way forward methinks. The overwhelming feeling we had after the gig is that the rest of the band is starting to carry the show, while Damien is slowly morphing into a whining pre-menstrual spinster. Harsh but fair I reckon.

daol20 · 02-03-2004, 05:39 AM

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Edited by: daol20

daol20 · 02-03-2004, 05:39 AM

Its just time to move on to the next album. He's probably jadded after touring with the same material for so long. And needs to refresh his gig with new stuff.

Roll on the second album!! Quickly!
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spudy · 02-03-2004, 05:46 AM

was my mates first damien gig last night (apart from witnness) and after seeing the bam gig last week we were both of same opinion: would probably not go to see a damien rice gig again but would really love to see a gig with just tomo, lisa and vyvienne....

Edited by: spudy

willa · 02-03-2004, 05:47 AM

There was one or two moments of indulgence into what can only be described as disorganised noise - reminded me of seeing Ryan Adams play a couple of years ago where he spent most of the night playing ramblings and bits of songs. I cant put my finger on it but he performance last night was the least inspiring one I have seen, no hairs standing on the back of me neck.

Regardless of the content the band were pretty tight, the raggae/englishman in new york bit was a nice suprise.

I dont think there is much of a problem dipping backwards providing they are good songs. I imagine the new album is going to be full of songs everybody already knows and is familiar with (unless somebody knows something i dont!?)

willa · 02-03-2004, 05:50 AM

Forgot to mention the googenheim grotto, great songs, look forward to seeing them again.

02-02-2004, 06:32 PM	#1
The Kitten Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tajikista Posts: 149	A gig that was taped so I think we can expect to see it either on DVD or CD in the near future. Was pretty commercial and not a patch on the December 15, 2003 gig - did all the usual songs with a couple of newish ones including Face. Didn't do Woman Like a Man or Prague, and no sign of The Blowers Daughter Part 2, Sand or Insane. Did Never by Paul Noonan of Bell X1 which was a welcome suprise. First support act were pretty good but the Swedish Dance Muppets were absolute shte! Damien came on around 9.20 and finished up around 11.15 - Vivienne did Seven Nation Army and the usual dickheads clapped during it (maybe at a White Stripes gig but not when you're trying to appreciate a chellist as shy as Vivienne). The 'Witness' fans were out in force and we even got a rendition of One More Song from a pack of wnkers sitting in the middle of the floor - are we listening to a taping of 'Set List' a bit too much. Couple of w*anker hecklers in the crowd as well - and fair play to the bird who told them to shut up! You didn't miss much guys, certainly not if you've been to a DR gig in the last 6 months. __________________ 'its better to burn out than to fade away'

02-02-2004, 06:39 PM	#2
cartman Eskimo Regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Nicaragua Posts: 487	that was a delight, thanks for not makin me feel sh*tty for not going __________________ Too many options may kill a man

02-02-2004, 10:32 PM	#5
Burningman Eskimo Friend Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: United States Posts: 65	rough setlist anyone ? us americans would like to know just what we are missing out on and how good your guys have it over there. __________________ So many learn to Swallow So few to understand

02-03-2004, 02:44 AM	#9
The Kitten Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tajikista Posts: 149	I'm just surprised I got 5 other posts before a pr*ck like you got in. The Point Depot is a 'sell-out large venue', not Vicar Street. I hope you come back with the usual 'we're all entitled to our own opinion line'. __________________ 'its better to burn out than to fade away'

02-03-2004, 04:39 AM	#13
spudy Potato masher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Imperial senate, beside the coffee machine Posts: 164	anyone who was at the dec gig will remember that vyvienne, before she played seven nation army, said that the next song had excellent clapping opportunities in it - i.e she wanted us to clap... __________________ "Situations changed, Jules...Take my buffalo gun and hand me my mime rifle"

02-02-2004, 07:46 PM	#3
Gatsby Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dublin Posts: 5,809	well said kitten... i hate when u get arseholes at gigs... but its not great to read that when ur goin tomorrow night[img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img] my mate rang me during "tongue" which sounded amazing... was there many unreleased songs or just the usual stick to the album stuff? oh and i cant believe they sold tickets at the door... i was about to go but im broke[img]smileys/smiley2.gif[/img]

02-02-2004, 08:00 PM	#4
cnpubwear Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 221	i hate clapping during songs too but i have a lot of boots and vivienne encourages it.

02-02-2004, 10:40 PM	#6
Gatsby Eskimo Regular Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dublin Posts: 5,809	i dont think we have it any better at all really... pretty much the same setlist if im not mistaken...

02-03-2004, 01:56 AM	#7
willa Eskimo Baby Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 13	Kitten, I just read this email and felt compelled to write back and tell you what a muppet you are. "- Vivienne did Seven Nation Army and the usual dickheads clapped during it" - That song is a fantastic stomping song, in my opinion it is better than the original. A song like that gives you a natural reaction to stamp your feet / clap your hands. Thats what music does to you. I think you have got yourself confused with a small intimate gig. Let me remind you that is was a sell out large venue with a full live band. "The 'Witness' fans were out in force and we even got a rendition of One More Song from a pack of wnkers sitting in the middle of the floor - are we listening to a taping of 'Set List' a bit too much." - what are you talking about?! What about the f*king cardigans like you who just keep quiet and tell everybody else to shutup. Audienceand Band banter are some of the little things that make a gig more memorable. Dont get me wrong - I ama huge fan, in fact I even travelled to the uk last year to see some shows as I think they are the best live act I have ever experienced. On top of that I dont partake in any of the disgracful "clapping" nor was I one of the joyful fans having a laugh asking for one more song - shame on them. You have to take your cardigan politics somewhere else because right now damien rice and co are taking their gigs to a more lively, loud and rockier level. Loosen up a bit and realise that the thing you appear to dislike is the same thing you should try and familiarise yourself with : FUN

02-03-2004, 02:55 AM	#10
Louise Eskimo Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,118	Kitten I dont think its fair to be so judgemental. I dont want to attack you and I know how nice it is to feel like you're part of a small group of prople who appreciate a band, but you need to accept that Damien is growing in popularity and therefore there is going to be a diverse crowd at his gigs. I feel sorry that you let it bother you so much because I thought it was a bit of a laugh, not my style but a laugh. I think you need to accept these facts now or never enjoy another damien gig again because this is the way things are now. Louise P.S. I clapped during Seven Nation Army, its not a quiet swaying song, and viv was smiling and laughing. Don't be so judgemental; maybe you'll enjoy life a little more.

02-03-2004, 02:57 AM	#11
Louise Eskimo Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 2,118	PS Thank you to Ian who called me to let me know that they were selling tickets at the door. A true eskimo legend! [img]smileys/smiley17.gif[/img]

02-03-2004, 04:48 AM	#15
judas Eskimo Baby Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 1	see this is plain wrong...Kitten why do feel you have some exclusive right to claim an experience that has been sold to the public as your own. why do you feel obliged to police the experience and offer terms for how an audience must conduct themselves..it is this type of prudishness that is destroying gigs...rendering them staid and allowing an awkward atmosphere prevail... witness fans?....i thought witness showcased great music acts, i though witness fans were music appreciators. clapping a cellist?? you obviously have never been to the national concert hall or attended an orchestral concert. why do you expect silent reverence at a place like vicar street?? you should open you mind some kitten..the heckling was quite subdued....and as willa says audience banter is an integral part of a show, especially acoustic driven sets from people who have come from a busking background. you are clearly very opinionated but take Louises advice, loosen up and enjoy...it's better than being pissed off with small distractions and allowing them become the only thing you can highlight the next morning..

02-03-2004, 04:57 AM	#16
Patricia Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,213	Hey guys you should ALL open your mind!! Kitten has the right to feel this way about the concert, at least as much as you all have the right to feel differently. Isn't the board supposed to be a place where we share our experiences? Many ppl = many different experiences, as simple as that. I am not saying I agree with Kitten... But at least I don't think calling her a bitter lemon or whatever is the right thg to do. __________________ "To do is to be" - Nietzsche "To be is to do" - Kant "Do be do be do" - Sinatra

02-03-2004, 05:06 AM	#17
daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	Well said. This is blown way out of proportion!!</font> __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

02-03-2004, 05:10 AM	#18
Scon Eskimo Regular Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 398	Patricia [img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img]

02-03-2004, 05:13 AM	#19
framesaver Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Virgin Islands Posts: 185	Ah sure there's hardly a gig ye'd go to anymore without someone having a crack at the audience the next day. "They were too quiet; they were too loud; this porridge is just right...." But yeah I'd have to agree with the Kitten on the performance. Pretty flat and uninspiring. Pleasing to more recent fans though, I guess. __________________ All the cheer raining down on the day comes to nothing and leaves by the broom <font size="1"> Lucky by Hem</font>

02-03-2004, 05:24 AM	#20
daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	I know what you mean.... dont know what to expect tonight now![img]smileys/smiley5.gif[/img] (damn my spelling)</font>[img]smileys/smiley7.gif[/img] Edited by: daol20 __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

02-03-2004, 05:25 AM	#21
Patricia Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 3,213	Maybe he was just a bit tired yesterday? We all have ups and downs haven't we? I'm sure he'll rock tonite![img]smileys/smiley4.gif[/img] __________________ "To do is to be" - Nietzsche "To be is to do" - Kant "Do be do be do" - Sinatra

02-03-2004, 05:29 AM	#22
daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	I hope so.....IM trying to convert a friend to his music tonight.</font> __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

02-03-2004, 05:31 AM	#24
willa Eskimo Baby Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 13	It did look like he was pissed off last night and it showed. His silence can change the atmosphere of the show more than you think. I am heading tonight aswell so I hope he cheers up.

02-03-2004, 05:33 AM	#25
framesaver Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Virgin Islands Posts: 185	It's not that he's tired, you just get the feeling of same old, same old. And continuing to plunder the Juniper back catalogue is not the way forward methinks. The overwhelming feeling we had after the gig is that the rest of the band is starting to carry the show, while Damien is slowly morphing into a whining pre-menstrual spinster. Harsh but fair I reckon. __________________ All the cheer raining down on the day comes to nothing and leaves by the broom <font size="1"> Lucky by Hem</font>

02-03-2004, 05:39 AM	#26
daol20 Eskimo irRegular Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Yemen Posts: 2,091	. Edited by: daol20 __________________ You leave me here bereaving from the words so hard and plain Saying the love that we had was just selfish and sad To see you now with him is just making me mad Oh so kiss him again just to prove to me that you can an I will stand here and burn in my skin

02-03-2004, 05:46 AM	#28
spudy Potato masher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Imperial senate, beside the coffee machine Posts: 164	was my mates first damien gig last night (apart from witnness) and after seeing the bam gig last week we were both of same opinion: would probably not go to see a damien rice gig again but would really love to see a gig with just tomo, lisa and vyvienne.... Edited by: spudy __________________ "Situations changed, Jules...Take my buffalo gun and hand me my mime rifle"

02-03-2004, 05:47 AM	#29
willa Eskimo Baby Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 13	There was one or two moments of indulgence into what can only be described as disorganised noise - reminded me of seeing Ryan Adams play a couple of years ago where he spent most of the night playing ramblings and bits of songs. I cant put my finger on it but he performance last night was the least inspiring one I have seen, no hairs standing on the back of me neck. Regardless of the content the band were pretty tight, the raggae/englishman in new york bit was a nice suprise. I dont think there is much of a problem dipping backwards providing they are good songs. I imagine the new album is going to be full of songs everybody already knows and is familiar with (unless somebody knows something i dont!?)

02-03-2004, 05:50 AM	#30
willa Eskimo Baby Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 13	Forgot to mention the googenheim grotto, great songs, look forward to seeing them again.