Insane gonna be a B-Side?

tywy · 09-21-2006, 03:28 PM

What ya think?

I must say I'm disappointed this didn't make it....I really enjoyed it on the Tuesday night in Vicar Street.

Bumpman · 09-21-2006, 07:28 PM

It was mentioned here a few months ago that the word on high was 'Insane'
wouldn't be making the cut... It's a very old song, it was first released in '95,
and putting something like 'Insane' on the album would have meant playing it on
tour constantly, maybe they just wanted to keep it as a rarity, and maybe it
just didn't fit.

borneoman · 09-21-2006, 10:06 PM

i think that all these old old old pre-O tracks will end up appearing some day in a best of or a retrospective... patience!! for now, we can be happy with the live mp3!!

tywy · 09-21-2006, 10:59 PM

He played Insane on the Tuesday night Vicar St gig last month and that's why I got my hopes up that it might be put on the new album. It sounded great with the cello and the drums

borneoman · 09-22-2006, 03:43 AM

Just thought it might be a hidden track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fingers crossed!!!!!!!!!!!!

tywy · 09-22-2006, 01:40 PM

w00t! Here's to hoping!

borneoman · 09-22-2006, 06:39 PM

Do u guys think that if we signed a petition or something like that for Insane to be released (as a hidden track, a b, whatever), it would work??????????????????? like sending an e-mail with a hundred signatures? or having all of us e-mailing the record company every day

Bumpman · 09-22-2006, 07:03 PM

No, it wouldn't. It might work for someone who gave a flying f*ck about what their fans thought they should release. In the context you have to remember that Damien is the sort of guy who didn't mind waiting four and a half years and subjecting himself to all sorts of abuse in and out of the public light, just to make a record that he believed in, that wasn't rushed and that contained the songs he wanted to release. He's also the sort of guy who pulled out of a band he'd been with for nine years and scrapped a six album deal with Polygram the night before recording the first Juniper album, just because someone thought Eskimo shouldn't be the first single.

If he could have been badgered into releasing something that he didn't want to, believe me, it would have already happened. It was confirmed two months ago that Insane wouldn't be on the new album. If you still want to hear it then get a copy of Manna, because that's where it was released. Eleven years ago.

borneoman · 09-22-2006, 09:00 PM

Thanks for the feedback... so you reckon it won't even be a b-side or a hidden track?

Bumpman · 09-23-2006, 12:25 AM

To see it appearing as a hidden track would be highly unlikely to say the least, and that's assuming that there is hidden tracks. It might make it as a b-side, I wouldn't rule that out. All the stuff from the Juniper era seems to be taking the backseat lately, songs like Woman Like A Man, The Professor, Cross-eyed Bear and Then Go are being left as b-sides to newer stuff despite the fact that they're exceptional songs. The main thing to remember is that if 'Insane' had actually fit on the album it would have made it.

It's sort of a obvious point but a great album is more then just a playlist of songs, it's a collective piece. When a song doesn't fit in the picture it's the most horrible thing in the world to have to listen to. Bell X1 fans would tell you of the dismay when it came out that 'Monkey 61' wouldn't be on Flock, everyone had imagined it as a single, and yet it was relegated to being a b-side. Personally it was only when I heard both the album and the subsequent single that I really understood just what a sore thumb it would have been.

Closing_Doors · 09-23-2006, 06:01 PM

Gotta agree with Bumpman on this, I just can't see it as a hidden track. After the Vicar St shows I had the faint hope that they might have changed their minds about including it but I guess not... and to be honest I doubt it'll be a b-side this time around either (but I wouldn't mind being wrong!)

And bear in mind (as mentioned before in another recent thread) Insane was the only Juniper track that's resurfaced that was actually properly released while the band were still together (there's supposedly a 2nd cd to the World Is Dead single which may have contained Wooden Horse and Volcano, but I'm not gonna count that

). It's had it's day in the sun, I think all we can hope is that it's played live a little more often.

borneoman · 09-23-2006, 11:35 PM

And do you know if this recording of Insane by Juniper is available for purchase online??

Thanks

Bumpman · 09-23-2006, 11:57 PM

This is what you're looking for, but it'll take more then a charming smile to find a copy. It's rarer then tits on a bowling ball.

09-21-2006, 03:28 PM	#1
tywy Eskimo Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 190	Insane gonna be a B-Side? What ya think? I must say I'm disappointed this didn't make it....I really enjoyed it on the Tuesday night in Vicar Street.

09-21-2006, 07:28 PM	#2
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	It was mentioned here a few months ago that the word on high was 'Insane' wouldn't be making the cut... It's a very old song, it was first released in '95, and putting something like 'Insane' on the album would have meant playing it on tour constantly, maybe they just wanted to keep it as a rarity, and maybe it just didn't fit. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

09-22-2006, 07:03 PM	#8
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	No, it wouldn't. It might work for someone who gave a flying fck about what their fans thought they should release. In the context you have to remember that Damien is the sort of guy who didn't mind waiting four and a half years and subjecting himself to all sorts of abuse in and out of the public light, just to make a record that he believed in, that wasn't rushed and that contained the songs he wanted to release. He's also the sort of guy who pulled out of a band he'd been with for nine years and scrapped a six album deal with Polygram the night before recording the first Juniper album, just because someone thought Eskimo shouldn't be the first single. If he could have been badgered into releasing something that he didn't want to, believe me, it would have already happened. It was confirmed two months ago that Insane wouldn't be on the new album. If you still want to hear it then get a copy of Manna, because that's where it was* released. Eleven years ago. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

09-23-2006, 12:25 AM	#10
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	To see it appearing as a hidden track would be highly unlikely to say the least, and that's assuming that there is hidden tracks. It might make it as a b-side, I wouldn't rule that out. All the stuff from the Juniper era seems to be taking the backseat lately, songs like Woman Like A Man, The Professor, Cross-eyed Bear and Then Go are being left as b-sides to newer stuff despite the fact that they're exceptional songs. The main thing to remember is that if 'Insane' had actually fit on the album it would have made it. It's sort of a obvious point but a great album is more then just a playlist of songs, it's a collective piece. When a song doesn't fit in the picture it's the most horrible thing in the world to have to listen to. Bell X1 fans would tell you of the dismay when it came out that 'Monkey 61' wouldn't be on Flock, everyone had imagined it as a single, and yet it was relegated to being a b-side. Personally it was only when I heard both the album and the subsequent single that I really understood just what a sore thumb it would have been. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

09-23-2006, 06:01 PM	#11
Closing_Doors Hysterical & Useless Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,329	Gotta agree with Bumpman on this, I just can't see it as a hidden track. After the Vicar St shows I had the faint hope that they might have changed their minds about including it but I guess not... and to be honest I doubt it'll be a b-side this time around either (but I wouldn't mind being wrong!) And bear in mind (as mentioned before in another recent thread) Insane was the only Juniper track that's resurfaced that was actually properly released while the band were still together (there's supposedly a 2nd cd to the World Is Dead single which may have contained Wooden Horse and Volcano, but I'm not gonna count that ). It's had it's day in the sun, I think all we can hope is that it's played live a little more often. __________________ Come clean, come good, repeat with me the punch line 'Just like blood' when those at the back rush forward to say how a little love goes a long long long way. -- Simon Armitage

09-21-2006, 10:06 PM	#3
borneoman Insane Eskimo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,151	i think that all these old old old pre-O tracks will end up appearing some day in a best of or a retrospective... patience!! for now, we can be happy with the live mp3!!

09-21-2006, 10:59 PM	#4
tywy Eskimo Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 190	He played Insane on the Tuesday night Vicar St gig last month and that's why I got my hopes up that it might be put on the new album. It sounded great with the cello and the drums

09-22-2006, 03:43 AM	#5
borneoman Insane Eskimo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,151	Just thought it might be a hidden track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fingers crossed!!!!!!!!!!!!

09-22-2006, 01:40 PM	#6
tywy Eskimo Regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 190	w00t! Here's to hoping!

09-22-2006, 06:39 PM	#7
borneoman Insane Eskimo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,151	Do u guys think that if we signed a petition or something like that for Insane to be released (as a hidden track, a b, whatever), it would work??????????????????? like sending an e-mail with a hundred signatures? or having all of us e-mailing the record company every day

09-22-2006, 09:00 PM	#9
borneoman Insane Eskimo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,151	Thanks for the feedback... so you reckon it won't even be a b-side or a hidden track?

09-23-2006, 11:35 PM	#12
borneoman Insane Eskimo Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,151	And do you know if this recording of Insane by Juniper is available for purchase online?? Thanks

09-23-2006, 11:57 PM	#13
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	This is what you're looking for, but it'll take more then a charming smile to find a copy. It's rarer then tits on a bowling ball. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great