Is Face degrading/humiliating/abusive etc... - Page 4

davidcotyalex · 08-11-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by A2_Blue

Lindsay, I couldnt agree with you more. I too thought it was innapropriate to tie "face" (or anything else for that matter), to rape.

I was mostly caught up on the fact that people started bashing her person, and not what was said... her personal life has nothing to do with this convorsation.

Also, I might have missed some of her posts, but what I thought she was saying was that the song "Face" was moraly degrating to women... I didnt see where she said it was about rape.

My advice then would be to read through an entire thread before making accusatory statements....

A2_Blue · 08-11-2007, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by davidcotyalex

My advice then would be to read through an entire thread before making accusatory statements....

Usually I would, however, i read most of them and reguardless of the ones i did not read, it was obvious that Lauren's personal life was on trial which has ABSOLUTLY nothing to do with the debate.

davidcotyalex · 08-11-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by A2_Blue

Usually I would, however, i read most of them and reguardless of the ones i did not read, it was obvious that Lauren's personal life was on trial which has ABSOLUTLY nothing to do with the debate.

Save for the sole fact it was SHE who introduced them along the way of her arguement..........

LaurenM · 08-11-2007, 06:24 PM

I just want to say, for the record: In no way did I mean, or do I mean, that Face or Damien encourages rape. I only meant that those lyrics made the woman seem like an object to be conquered. I find the idea of women as objects for men to conquer to be degrading and humiliating. In no way did I mean Damien was raping, likes to rape, or thinks rape is a good idea. I think he is an extremely talented musician, whom I adore and have great respect for, however he wrote a lyric which offended me. Whenever I used the word rape I meant it in the context of the rape of womenkind, as in the degredation of females as a whole. That is all.

Ships_Were_Sailin · 08-11-2007, 06:33 PM

yeah i thought this thread was deaded. Laurens "summing up" posts are going un-noticed!

lets let this one die now folks, its been done to death and the real argument down in the "everything else" section was ended a while ago, now its just a place for lindsay to find out how old everyone is.

we cool?

Lindsay · 08-11-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ships_Were_Sailin

ets let this one die now folks, its been done to death and the real argument down in the "everything else" section was ended a while ago, now its just a place for lindsay to find out how old everyone is.

Ohh Ships_Were_Sailin....sooooooo funny

jonnycrouch · 08-12-2007, 04:18 PM

I'm 19 and thoroughly available...

Lindsay · 08-12-2007, 06:00 PM

haha.. jonny I'll keep that in mind

Ships_Were_Sailin · 08-12-2007, 10:24 PM

lindsay you player

Lindsay · 08-12-2007, 11:59 PM

hahaha...I'm a nice girl I promise!! I oooonly said I would keep that in mind

!

jonnycrouch · 08-13-2007, 12:14 AM

Well if I'm ever in canada, that'll be useful.

Just out of interest, have you ever heard of a band called ox?

Lindsay · 08-13-2007, 12:35 AM

Hehehe...I should say that I'm veeery well behaved as well

But jonny...are you asking me or Ships? If you're asking me...no, I haven't heard of them I don't think. Where are they from and why do you ask?

Calum · 08-13-2007, 08:23 AM

Well, as far as the meaning of the song goes (everyone's said everything i would have said about sexism), it all seems rather clear to me. Well, i think it's conflicting emotions, like someone else said "love - hate". I think it's rather extreme to automatically assume that the aforementioned "degrading" lyrics means that he would actually do it and wouldn't have any ethical quarms about it. You know how in every day life people say stuff like "I wish they would die" or "I'd rather be dead" (not to dwell on the subject of death; just need examples), they don't actually mean that they would kill them or kill themself, it's just impulsive and exaggerating on the anger they have. That's precisely what's going on in this song; i'm very sure of it in fact.

Ships_Were_Sailin · 08-13-2007, 10:17 AM

i havent heard of ox either, they good?

jonnycrouch · 08-13-2007, 06:17 PM

Ox are a small canadian band, they're alright, my cousin (or something) plays in them. I figured it was a long shot, but stranger things have happened...

Lindsay · 08-13-2007, 06:43 PM

Gotcha...no I've never heard of them, though it could just be me cause I live pretty much in the middle of nowhere

Timeé · 08-13-2007, 07:51 PM

we have something in common then..

jonnycrouch · 08-13-2007, 10:44 PM

yes, same here.

Lindsay · 08-13-2007, 11:01 PM

Hmm....I'm a bit confused...who has something in common with who? You both also live in the middle of nowhere?

But jonny....let's forget that for a moment......my dear Ships has left me in my time of need.....what were you saying about being of age and and available...........hehehe.....juuuuuust kidding

Ships_Were_Sailin · 08-13-2007, 11:16 PM

erm excuse me, is someone trying to e-move in on my e-crush?, cause i dont like when people e-interfere with my e-affairs

damn e-stealers, stealing all the damn e.

plus you dont want jonny, his last name is crouch, which kinda sounds like crotch, think of the potential playground abuse for your kids

jonnycrouch · 08-13-2007, 11:27 PM

Ah yes, but crouch is a name derived from the latin for cross, for which another meaning is "man of the crossroads". And, if any potential e-offspring derived some kind of enjoyment from blues music- particularly Robert Johnson, he/she/it would probably appreciate such heritage. Besides, playground abuse builds moral fibre.

Ships_Were_Sailin · 08-13-2007, 11:46 PM

Dammit jonny, dont make me come up there

jonnycrouch · 08-14-2007, 12:26 AM

Whereabouts are you from in the uk? Presumably further south than lincolnshire (which, now the 22-20s have split up, also has no music scene whatsoever) if you're going to come up here.

Nine · 08-14-2007, 01:38 AM

Alright guys, stop battling. She's mine.

Lindsay · 08-14-2007, 01:48 AM

Oh I'm all yours Nine!!! Hmmm....but only if I get to be called your groupie like Dean

huh...I think my standards keep lowering and lowering

jonnycrouch · 08-14-2007, 01:55 AM

I'm a lowering of standards from ships? Thanks.

Lindsay · 08-14-2007, 02:11 AM

Hehehe....noooooo of course not......just that I went from having "beautifully poetic exchanges" with young, hardly of age guys..to thinking someone 18 and a day would be better..... to being a girl's groupie...hehe

jonnycrouch · 08-14-2007, 02:33 AM

You're so fickle! Anyway, I'd love to state my case somewhat further about how fantastically superb I am, and the merits and issues with being a girls groupie (believe me I've tried many a time). But its half 3 in t'morn over here and I'm knackered from work, lack of sleep, and spontaneous songwriting. So goodnight one and all x

Ships_Were_Sailin · 08-14-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnycrouch

I'm a lowering of standards from ships? Thanks.

its always tough to hear that the first time, but usually guys tend to get used to hearing it

Lindsay · 08-14-2007, 03:00 PM

Ahaha....you guys are both so funny

!

But perhaps we should let this thread be...don't want to take away from actual DR stuff

08-11-2007, 06:33 PM	#95
Ships_Were_Sailin Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK - The part that has no music scene what so ever Posts: 1,094	yeah i thought this thread was deaded. Laurens "summing up" posts are going un-noticed! lets let this one die now folks, its been done to death and the real argument down in the "everything else" section was ended a while ago, now its just a place for lindsay to find out how old everyone is. we cool? __________________ *Its been years since ive heard from my transistor radio* Yet i keep going to where it seems i'm meant to go

08-12-2007, 10:24 PM	#99
Ships_Were_Sailin Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK - The part that has no music scene what so ever Posts: 1,094	lindsay you player __________________ *Its been years since ive heard from my transistor radio* Yet i keep going to where it seems i'm meant to go

08-13-2007, 08:23 AM	#103
Calum Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: West Sussex, England Posts: 442	Well, as far as the meaning of the song goes (everyone's said everything i would have said about sexism), it all seems rather clear to me. Well, i think it's conflicting emotions, like someone else said "love - hate". I think it's rather extreme to automatically assume that the aforementioned "degrading" lyrics means that he would actually do it and wouldn't have any ethical quarms about it. You know how in every day life people say stuff like "I wish they would die" or "I'd rather be dead" (not to dwell on the subject of death; just need examples), they don't actually mean that they would kill them or kill themself, it's just impulsive and exaggerating on the anger they have. That's precisely what's going on in this song; i'm very sure of it in fact. __________________ http://calumpratt.bandcamp.com

08-13-2007, 10:17 AM	#104
Ships_Were_Sailin Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK - The part that has no music scene what so ever Posts: 1,094	i havent heard of ox either, they good? __________________ *Its been years since ive heard from my transistor radio* Yet i keep going to where it seems i'm meant to go

08-13-2007, 07:51 PM	#107
Timeé Intello Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Co. Donegal, Ireland. Posts: 2,435	we have something in common then.. __________________ Wasted and wounded, it ain't what the moon did Got what I paid for now See ya tomorrow, hey Frank can I borrow A couple of bucks from you?

08-11-2007, 06:24 PM	#94
LaurenM Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 709	I just want to say, for the record: In no way did I mean, or do I mean, that Face or Damien encourages rape. I only meant that those lyrics made the woman seem like an object to be conquered. I find the idea of women as objects for men to conquer to be degrading and humiliating. In no way did I mean Damien was raping, likes to rape, or thinks rape is a good idea. I think he is an extremely talented musician, whom I adore and have great respect for, however he wrote a lyric which offended me. Whenever I used the word rape I meant it in the context of the rape of womenkind, as in the degredation of females as a whole. That is all.

08-12-2007, 04:18 PM	#97
jonnycrouch Eskimo, baby Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 72	I'm 19 and thoroughly available...

08-12-2007, 06:00 PM	#98
Lindsay Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 904	haha.. jonny I'll keep that in mind

08-12-2007, 11:59 PM	#100
Lindsay Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 904	hahaha...I'm a nice girl I promise!! I oooonly said I would keep that in mind !

08-13-2007, 12:14 AM	#101
jonnycrouch Eskimo, baby Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 72	Well if I'm ever in canada, that'll be useful. Just out of interest, have you ever heard of a band called ox?

08-13-2007, 12:35 AM	#102
Lindsay Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 904	Hehehe...I should say that I'm veeery well behaved as well But jonny...are you asking me or Ships? If you're asking me...no, I haven't heard of them I don't think. Where are they from and why do you ask?

08-13-2007, 06:17 PM	#105
jonnycrouch Eskimo, baby Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 72	Ox are a small canadian band, they're alright, my cousin (or something) plays in them. I figured it was a long shot, but stranger things have happened...

08-13-2007, 06:43 PM	#106
Lindsay Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 904	Gotcha...no I've never heard of them, though it could just be me cause I live pretty much in the middle of nowhere

08-13-2007, 10:44 PM	#108
jonnycrouch Eskimo, baby Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 72	yes, same here.

08-13-2007, 11:01 PM	#109
Lindsay Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 904	Hmm....I'm a bit confused...who has something in common with who? You both also live in the middle of nowhere? But jonny....let's forget that for a moment......my dear Ships has left me in my time of need.....what were you saying about being of age and and available...........hehehe.....juuuuuust kidding

08-13-2007, 11:16 PM	#110
Ships_Were_Sailin Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK - The part that has no music scene what so ever Posts: 1,094	erm excuse me, is someone trying to e-move in on my e-crush?, cause i dont like when people e-interfere with my e-affairs damn e-stealers, stealing all the damn e. plus you dont want jonny, his last name is crouch, which kinda sounds like crotch, think of the potential playground abuse for your kids __________________ *Its been years since ive heard from my transistor radio* Yet i keep going to where it seems i'm meant to go Last edited by Ships_Were_Sailin; 08-13-2007 at 11:47 PM.

08-13-2007, 11:27 PM	#111
jonnycrouch Eskimo, baby Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 72	Ah yes, but crouch is a name derived from the latin for cross, for which another meaning is "man of the crossroads". And, if any potential e-offspring derived some kind of enjoyment from blues music- particularly Robert Johnson, he/she/it would probably appreciate such heritage. Besides, playground abuse builds moral fibre.

08-13-2007, 11:46 PM	#112
Ships_Were_Sailin Eskimo Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK - The part that has no music scene what so ever Posts: 1,094	Dammit jonny, dont make me come up there __________________ *Its been years since ive heard from my transistor radio* Yet i keep going to where it seems i'm meant to go

08-14-2007, 12:26 AM	#113
jonnycrouch Eskimo, baby Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 72	Whereabouts are you from in the uk? Presumably further south than lincolnshire (which, now the 22-20s have split up, also has no music scene whatsoever) if you're going to come up here.

08-14-2007, 01:38 AM	#114
Nine Inuit Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: UK Posts: 2,458	Alright guys, stop battling. She's mine. __________________ Thanks to all the kind, generous eskimos who took the time to donate a limb to the 'HELP NINE GET A BODY FUND.' I am now in full working order.

08-14-2007, 01:48 AM	#115
Lindsay Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 904	Oh I'm all yours Nine!!! Hmmm....but only if I get to be called your groupie like Dean huh...I think my standards keep lowering and lowering

08-14-2007, 01:55 AM	#116
jonnycrouch Eskimo, baby Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 72	I'm a lowering of standards from ships? Thanks.

08-14-2007, 02:11 AM	#117
Lindsay Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 904	Hehehe....noooooo of course not......just that I went from having "beautifully poetic exchanges" with young, hardly of age guys..to thinking someone 18 and a day would be better..... to being a girl's groupie...hehe Last edited by Lindsay; 08-14-2007 at 02:14 AM.

08-14-2007, 02:33 AM	#118
jonnycrouch Eskimo, baby Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 72	You're so fickle! Anyway, I'd love to state my case somewhat further about how fantastically superb I am, and the merits and issues with being a girls groupie (believe me I've tried many a time). But its half 3 in t'morn over here and I'm knackered from work, lack of sleep, and spontaneous songwriting. So goodnight one and all x

08-14-2007, 03:00 PM	#120
Lindsay Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 904	Ahaha....you guys are both so funny ! But perhaps we should let this thread be...don't want to take away from actual DR stuff Last edited by Lindsay; 08-14-2007 at 03:02 PM.