American politics - Page 3

Bumpman · 02-03-2008, 10:38 PM

I don't question its importance in terms of providing a platform for modern civilisation, in fact I think it's one of the most essential things that has ever been created. I think San Marino's Constitution declared itself as a Constitution, but I'm not 100% sure. Also I'd agree with you there Rai, Magna Carta probably shouldn't be on that list.

In any case, what I meant is that the existence of a Constitution doesn't depend on it being self-declared. To me it's simply a body of principles by which a nation is composed.

buddy · 02-04-2008, 07:45 PM

argue all you want about celebrity involvement in the political process, but you can't deny that this man's vision of what america (and the world) can and should be is exactly what we need right now.

SisterMidnight · 02-05-2008, 01:01 AM

no one can argue that he isn't inspirational, he has a gift. i guess we'll know after tomorrow..

buddy, what do you think of the idea of the democratic dream ticket?

buddy · 02-05-2008, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SisterMidnight

no one can argue that he isn't inspirational, he has a gift. i guess we'll know after tomorrow..

buddy, what do you think of the idea of the democratic dream ticket?

it's not a bad thought. i think we'll see someone like john edwards, or maybe even bill richardson, to balance out the ticket though.

Hendrik · 02-05-2008, 08:08 AM

What ticket?

viv · 02-05-2008, 03:19 PM

president + vice president = "ticket"

Five Leaves Left · 02-05-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by buddy

argue all you want about celebrity involvement in the political process, but you can't deny that this man's vision of what america (and the world) can and should be is exactly what we need right now.

No, we don't need that kind of change. Too much government power has screwed up our system, It would be a mistake to give it more money and more power. If its Obama v. McCain than I may vote for him, but I think we're in a lose/lose situation in November all the major candidates suck.

audity · 02-05-2008, 08:26 PM

The video on the main page is practically an endorsement for Barack Obama.

I find it incredibly undemocratic to post a video supporting one candidate, when there are supporters of other candidates who are left without representation. Was there a plebiscite that I am unaware of? If there was, I will gladly step off of my soap box and shut up.

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
-George Orwell, Animal Farm

Cali · 02-05-2008, 08:42 PM

there's no need for a plebiscite, this is e's forum and he pays for the server charges

Hendrik · 02-05-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by audity

The video on the main page is practically an endorsement for Barack Obama.

I find it incredibly undemocratic to post a video supporting one candidate, when there are supporters of other candidates who are left without representation.

It's like what Lenin said...you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...

Rai · 02-05-2008, 09:11 PM

If anyone votes Obama in the election only because of Eskimo Friends, I'll eat something unpleasant. More so because I suppose around 50% of us are not yanks so this is just as relevant as an endorsement of George Washington or King George III.

srahman24 · 02-05-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali

there's no need for a plebiscite, this is e's forum and he pays for the server charges

Agreed.

Besides, even if you don't want to/can't vote for him - it's a pretty great video. Surprisingly inspiring.

Hendrik · 02-05-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rai

If anyone votes Obama in the election only because of Eskimo Friends, I'll eat something unpleasant. More so because I suppose around 50% of us are not yanks so this is just as relevant as an endorsement of George Washington or King George III.

Well, the city of Hiroshima did care about who was US president back in 1945...

(sorry for gettin a wee bit Ian-ish...)

I agree on the first sentence, that no one should follow paths unreflectedly though.

Rai · 02-05-2008, 10:00 PM

^I meant with the second half was that we, restoftheworldians can't vote so a biased attempt to modify our choice for president is perfectly OK with me. (Not that I'm not an obamaniac myself

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gomezxico · 02-05-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by buddy

argue all you want about celebrity involvement in the political process, but you can't deny that this man's vision of what america (and the world) can and should be is exactly what we need right now.

I can't help but officially endorse the statement Em. has made by posting this video to the homepage =D

Five Leaves Left · 02-05-2008, 10:45 PM

its his website, he can do what he wants. I disagree with him and would probably put a video of a different candidate, but until I have to pay a cut of what it cost to run the website I'm not going to complain as long as I'm still allowed to post something like this:

gomezxico · 02-06-2008, 03:15 AM

Just to be clear, I support what our webmaster put on the news page...I'm not sure if it came off some other way...I LOVE ME SOME OBAMA in '08!

A2_Blue · 02-06-2008, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by buddy

argue all you want about celebrity involvement in the political process, but you can't deny that this man's vision of what america (and the world) can and should be is exactly what we need right now.

Exactly... and celebrities are people too... with opinions. They just have a much easier time making their opinion known. Me, I just had to walk around the streets of Ann Arbor the day we voted to place "VOTE UNDECIDED" fliers on people's cars because Obama stayed true to his word and had his name removed from our ballets.

To each his own... celeb or not.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hendrik · 02-06-2008, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rai

^I meant with the second half was that we, restoftheworldians can't vote so a biased attempt to modify our choice for president is perfectly OK with me. (Not that I'm not an obamaniac myself

)

Sure thing! And even if we could, some c.unts would block us from the election like they did with the black people a while ago. The american elections are a joke, with big holes still open for manipulations, so they won't change the current status. Maybe they should start with the Kenia election system.

A wise man once said (I dunno who): If elections could change something, then somebody would forbid elections.

Moves-My-World · 02-06-2008, 02:49 PM

Propaganda on the front page of the igloo? Tisk tisk

Rai · 02-06-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hendrik

Sure thing! And even if we could, some c.unts would block us from the election like they did with the black people a while ago. The american elections are a joke, with big holes still open for manipulations, so they won't change the current status. Maybe they should start with the Kenia election system.

A wise man once said (I dunno who): If elections could change something, then somebody would forbid elections.

This is a great idea! Since the US is so powerful and everything that happens there has a great effect on everything, everyone should have a say in the elections! I'd love to see who those nice bearded guys in the Pakistani mountains would vote for... Maybe Huckabee?

There are some things in the US election system that are really good. I love this system of primaries, where there is actually a choice between very different people, not like over here (in Hungary) where we vote for a party and have no say in the person of the PM. This, combined with the British first past the post-two party system would rock. Or, furthermore abolish the party system and have personal politics only.

viv · 02-06-2008, 07:23 PM

well since we're talking about the system here (in the us) i just have to point out that there are certain things that make NO since whatsoever! in both the primaries and the general election the winner isn't necessarily the one who gets the most votes becuase of the delegates and the electorates, respectively. this annoys the hell out of me!

Cali · 02-06-2008, 10:08 PM

colbert said it right "it would be funny if it weren't so sad"

what pisses me off the most is how those morons try to turn things around by looking at him as he were crazy, and people believe them!!!!

SisterMidnight · 02-06-2008, 10:28 PM

excuse me going off topic for a minute but - cali inbox

Cali · 02-07-2008, 12:03 AM

ah ok

Hendrik · 02-07-2008, 09:33 AM

Great video there, Cali. How grotesque, a republican with the most reasonable arguments and yet everybody belittles him.

You would think that a f.uckwit like McCain would have learned his lesson in 6 years of imprisonment in Vietnam, that war can't solve things, but it seems it made a macho copy of Rambo (how ironic, that a fourth part has made it into 2008) out of him.

This is what I meant with manipulations in the election system in my post above: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0922-03.htm

Five Leaves Left · 02-07-2008, 09:01 PM

romney dropped out. looks like McCain will be the republican nominee, I can't see him winning the general election because he's so pro-war and a lot of republican's dont like him because he isnt very conservative. i won't vote for him. i dont think i'm going to vote, I don't think I could vote for McCain, Obama, or Clinton.

bearbait · 02-07-2008, 11:58 PM

The primary vote in my state isn't until next week. I'm thinking of voting for Obama simply because I think he would be more electable against McCain than Clinton. I think that Obama would get more of the anti-McCain Republican vote than Clinton would. And I also see some Democrats preferring McCain to Clinton.
We are so long overdue for a female president. It is unbelievable how few females are in our elected positions - less of a percentage than even places like India & Turkey. Hillary Clinton is well-known & well-liked around the world, so she would probably be able to help un-do some of the damage Bush has caused in making America so hated, but I think too many Americans don't like her for a variety of reasons and I don't see her winning, unless she were running against Huckabee.

Rai · 02-08-2008, 05:24 AM

^I don't se Hillary as well-liked around the world. I haven't met a single person over here who likes her. She is just antipathetic and the first woman president should not be relying so heavily on the ex-presidentship of her husband during her election. She should be like a Maggie Thatcher (of course not politically) who rose just by herself.

bearbait · 02-08-2008, 10:33 PM

^ I don't think I would say she's relying on her husband to get the job. She was not a "tea-and-cookies" kind of First Lady. She had more power and did a lot more behind-the-scenes stuff than any other First Lady, and wrote up a new health care bill (which failed miserably for being too socialistic). Her big problem is that she isn't very good at compromise, at least she wasn't when she was First Lady. I don't know too much about what she's been like as a senator. I want a president who is going to be good at bipartianship, and I don't see her as being good at that. I think Obama will be less likely to step on as many Republican toes.
If she doesn't win I don't know when we'll get a woman president though. I've heard that a lot of Republican want Condoleeza Rice to run in 4 years

02-03-2008, 10:38 PM	#61
Bumpman ... Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,801	I don't question its importance in terms of providing a platform for modern civilisation, in fact I think it's one of the most essential things that has ever been created. I think San Marino's Constitution declared itself as a Constitution, but I'm not 100% sure. Also I'd agree with you there Rai, Magna Carta probably shouldn't be on that list. In any case, what I meant is that the existence of a Constitution doesn't depend on it being self-declared. To me it's simply a body of principles by which a nation is composed. __________________ Mic Christopher Is Great

02-04-2008, 07:45 PM	#62
buddy Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: detroit, mi, usa Posts: 917	argue all you want about celebrity involvement in the political process, but you can't deny that this man's vision of what america (and the world) can and should be is exactly what we need right now. __________________ the girlshapedlovedrug messes with my mind bbc4 sessions

02-05-2008, 08:26 PM	#68
audity High-Five Eskimo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: On the River Lee, County Cork, Ireland Posts: 1,397	The video on the main page is practically an endorsement for Barack Obama. I find it incredibly undemocratic to post a video supporting one candidate, when there are supporters of other candidates who are left without representation. Was there a plebiscite that I am unaware of? If there was, I will gladly step off of my soap box and shut up. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. -George Orwell, Animal Farm __________________ Ireland For Ron Paul "Don't worry, ma'am...I've got permits for these." -The Todd "For everything that's lovely is But a brief, dreamy, kind delight." -William Butler Yeats (1865-1939), Irish poet, playwright

02-05-2008, 08:42 PM	#69
Cali Vegetable Eskimo Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A room of musical tunes Posts: 5,158	there's no need for a plebiscite, this is e's forum and he pays for the server charges __________________ Scrubs Ted and Kate Micucci Screw You (full song) __________________________________ note: my name is NOT short for California

02-05-2008, 09:11 PM	#71
Rai Eskimontologist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Robo-Hungarian Empire Posts: 2,345	If anyone votes Obama in the election only because of Eskimo Friends, I'll eat something unpleasant. More so because I suppose around 50% of us are not yanks so this is just as relevant as an endorsement of George Washington or King George III. __________________ "There's, another example. See, here I'm now sitting by myself, uh, er, talking to myself. That's, that's chaos." "If you find you've got a dragon charging at you at thirty miles per hour snapping its teeth you can always drive it defensively through the covers"

02-05-2008, 01:01 AM	#63
SisterMidnight Jellyfishsting Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Is this heaven? Posts: 5,500	no one can argue that he isn't inspirational, he has a gift. i guess we'll know after tomorrow.. buddy, what do you think of the idea of the democratic dream ticket?

02-05-2008, 08:08 AM	#65
Hendrik Teddy Daniels Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Berlin Posts: 9,693	What ticket?

02-05-2008, 03:19 PM	#66
viv Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 227	president + vice president = "ticket"

02-05-2008, 10:00 PM	#74
Rai Eskimontologist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Robo-Hungarian Empire Posts: 2,345	^I meant with the second half was that we, restoftheworldians can't vote so a biased attempt to modify our choice for president is perfectly OK with me. (Not that I'm not an obamaniac myself ) __________________ "There's, another example. See, here I'm now sitting by myself, uh, er, talking to myself. That's, that's chaos." "If you find you've got a dragon charging at you at thirty miles per hour snapping its teeth you can always drive it defensively through the covers"

02-05-2008, 10:45 PM	#76
Five Leaves Left Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 548	its his website, he can do what he wants. I disagree with him and would probably put a video of a different candidate, but until I have to pay a cut of what it cost to run the website I'm not going to complain as long as I'm still allowed to post something like this:

02-06-2008, 03:15 AM	#77
gomezxico 2day is 1day away from... Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: DE Posts: 1,210	Just to be clear, I support what our webmaster put on the news page...I'm not sure if it came off some other way...I LOVE ME SOME OBAMA in '08! __________________ "Argh! Why isn't this working?! Come on, Eskimo Friends, what's wrong with you?!...........Oh, I'm not logged in. "

02-06-2008, 02:49 PM	#80
Moves-My-World Eskimo Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 560	Propaganda on the front page of the igloo? Tisk tisk

02-06-2008, 07:23 PM	#82
viv Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 227	well since we're talking about the system here (in the us) i just have to point out that there are certain things that make NO since whatsoever! in both the primaries and the general election the winner isn't necessarily the one who gets the most votes becuase of the delegates and the electorates, respectively. this annoys the hell out of me!

02-06-2008, 10:08 PM	#83
Cali Vegetable Eskimo Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A room of musical tunes Posts: 5,158	colbert said it right "it would be funny if it weren't so sad" what pisses me off the most is how those morons try to turn things around by looking at him as he were crazy, and people believe them!!!! __________________ Scrubs Ted and Kate Micucci Screw You (full song) __________________________________ note: my name is NOT short for California

02-06-2008, 10:28 PM	#84
SisterMidnight Jellyfishsting Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Is this heaven? Posts: 5,500	excuse me going off topic for a minute but - cali inbox

02-07-2008, 12:03 AM	#85
Cali Vegetable Eskimo Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: A room of musical tunes Posts: 5,158	ah ok __________________ Scrubs Ted and Kate Micucci Screw You (full song) __________________________________ note: my name is NOT short for California

02-07-2008, 09:33 AM	#86
Hendrik Teddy Daniels Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Berlin Posts: 9,693	Great video there, Cali. How grotesque, a republican with the most reasonable arguments and yet everybody belittles him. You would think that a f.uckwit like McCain would have learned his lesson in 6 years of imprisonment in Vietnam, that war can't solve things, but it seems it made a macho copy of Rambo (how ironic, that a fourth part has made it into 2008) out of him. This is what I meant with manipulations in the election system in my post above: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0922-03.htm

02-07-2008, 09:01 PM	#87
Five Leaves Left Eskimo Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 548	romney dropped out. looks like McCain will be the republican nominee, I can't see him winning the general election because he's so pro-war and a lot of republican's dont like him because he isnt very conservative. i won't vote for him. i dont think i'm going to vote, I don't think I could vote for McCain, Obama, or Clinton.

02-07-2008, 11:58 PM	#88
bearbait Eskimo Pie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 868	The primary vote in my state isn't until next week. I'm thinking of voting for Obama simply because I think he would be more electable against McCain than Clinton. I think that Obama would get more of the anti-McCain Republican vote than Clinton would. And I also see some Democrats preferring McCain to Clinton. We are so long overdue for a female president. It is unbelievable how few females are in our elected positions - less of a percentage than even places like India & Turkey. Hillary Clinton is well-known & well-liked around the world, so she would probably be able to help un-do some of the damage Bush has caused in making America so hated, but I think too many Americans don't like her for a variety of reasons and I don't see her winning, unless she were running against Huckabee.

02-08-2008, 05:24 AM	#89
Rai Eskimontologist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Robo-Hungarian Empire Posts: 2,345	^I don't se Hillary as well-liked around the world. I haven't met a single person over here who likes her. She is just antipathetic and the first woman president should not be relying so heavily on the ex-presidentship of her husband during her election. She should be like a Maggie Thatcher (of course not politically) who rose just by herself. __________________ "There's, another example. See, here I'm now sitting by myself, uh, er, talking to myself. That's, that's chaos." "If you find you've got a dragon charging at you at thirty miles per hour snapping its teeth you can always drive it defensively through the covers"

02-08-2008, 10:33 PM	#90
bearbait Eskimo Pie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 868	^ I don't think I would say she's relying on her husband to get the job. She was not a "tea-and-cookies" kind of First Lady. She had more power and did a lot more behind-the-scenes stuff than any other First Lady, and wrote up a new health care bill (which failed miserably for being too socialistic). Her big problem is that she isn't very good at compromise, at least she wasn't when she was First Lady. I don't know too much about what she's been like as a senator. I want a president who is going to be good at bipartianship, and I don't see her as being good at that. I think Obama will be less likely to step on as many Republican toes. If she doesn't win I don't know when we'll get a woman president though. I've heard that a lot of Republican want Condoleeza Rice to run in 4 years